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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#121 - 2014-04-26 23:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Divine Entervention wrote:
I know perfectly well what they mean.

RIP in peace tippia's thought being correct

This is the first time I've seen you use it and it looks strange. Why "rest in peace in peace"?

What's the reason for the extra "in peace"? Its difficult to understand at face value.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2014-04-26 23:51:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

You have no proof of anyone quitting because of afk cloaking. YOU haven't even quit over it..

That's because unlike you, most people choose to adapt rather than whine about it.



Like a smoker, I've quit repeatedly over it.

Last time I was away was for a whole year.

I've unsubbed yet again, and am just playing EVE offline until my paid time runs out.


logged in and checked....12 in system 11 in station + the cloaky camper. What an awesomely fun game mechanic.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2014-04-26 23:54:29 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

AND, I'm waiting for someone to explain why it is so bad that the cloaky camper has to press a button or click a mouse a handful of times an hour?


I already explained this. They'll just put the cycle on an egg-timer (like ice miners do now) and then continue to do exactly what you fear, except now they'll have to not be AFK for 10 seconds and move to a new safe spot and wait out the cycle again.

Congratulations, you just wasted a bunch of Dev time and you still have cloakers in your system..

I know..no other answer but CCP changing this is will be acceptable to you. Good luck with that.



That is fine. If they want to be up 23.5/7 clicking the mouse button every 10 or 15 minutes, then they should be able to shut down an entire system.

I'm fine with that!
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2014-04-26 23:55:30 UTC
Mac Stern wrote:
What many you ssume is that game should be played as you want, and that of course what you want is the only way. Here is the truth, always when something has come up, there has been a counter developed. The big corporations are just going to sit back and loose precious minerals because of an afk camper, not likely. They would develop a counter measure, perhaps something a kin to a solar flare which disrupts electronics, etc, etc... In the end though it would not be left alone to disrupt millions of isk.
And the general feeling is that the campers can still camp just not have free rain to do so. That there is in fact some risk to them not getting on a kill mail before dying. After all, you bunch of lack luster debaters say null should be dangerous so why not to campers as well. Bring on the non productive convo, about worm hole space, and how im a whiner, ill still look for the few people actually willing to be debaters rather then haters. Love u all Mac



The founders of EVE came from a game called Ultima Online. It went downhill after the creation of a non-pvp server called Trammel. From my understanding, the founders of EVE left because of it, as did many others.

EVE's base design was to take what was good about UO, in the pre-Trammel days, and apply it to a space game. When you suggest splitting servers into pvp, non-pvp... Older players , many of whom came here from UO, would leave in droves.

All this is in regards to your original split the servers, idea, rather than the AFK cloaking discussion. (It's why you can see a post of someone asking "Did he really just suggest the creation of Trammel?")
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2014-04-26 23:56:39 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
By the same measuring stick, anyone afk in station should be kicked into space if they are AFK because they are dangerous to miners too.


I'm fine with that. If you haven't done anything with your toon... sound a count down warning and then a minute or so later, auto undock.

Same as for the uncloak.

The rest of your post was non sequiter as it did not deal with 23.5/7 activity.
Mac Stern
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-04-26 23:57:36 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
By the same measuring stick, anyone afk in station should be kicked into space if they are AFK because they are dangerous to miners too.

People who only log on to change their skils should be permabanned for not actively participating and cyno alts should instantly explode for being mass murderers.

WOW easy drama queen...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#127 - 2014-04-26 23:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
LHA Tarawa wrote:


The rest of your post was non sequiter as it did not deal with 23.5/7 activity.


Which isnt the topic but thanks for reading and adding that for whatever reason you did it for.

EDIT: Though you will have to explain how they arent activities as you describe them

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#128 - 2014-04-26 23:59:34 UTC
Mac Stern wrote:

WOW easy


So Ive heard, but thats not the topic or the game we are talking about either

Settle down, Meg

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#129 - 2014-04-27 00:10:11 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:

logged in and checked....12 in system 11 in station + the cloaky camper. What an awesomely fun game mechanic.


What kind of chickenshits do you play the game with? Seriously, even NC's renters aren't so cowardly as that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#130 - 2014-04-27 00:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
LHA Tarawa wrote:

Like a smoker, I've quit repeatedly over it.

Last time I was away was for a whole year.

I've unsubbed yet again, and am just playing EVE offline until my paid time runs out.

logged in and checked....12 in system 11 in station + the cloaky camper. What an awesomely fun game mechanic.


So, how do you know that player is AFK, or even cloaked?

I'm curious.. What did your landlord say when you complained about these (alleged) AFK cloakers terrorizing your group?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2014-04-27 00:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
This pilot (my main, since she's my first character on EVE) has no combat skills, so if she's caught in a situation that she can't run away from it's guaranteed that she will lose her ship. However, the things I choose to do with my ships help me earn ISK and I don't feel like earning ISK should come without risk or even some amount of frustrating problems.

I think this drives me to find solutions to those problems, or change my style of play to adapt to things that might happen.

The bad guy in one of my favorite shows, "The Shield", has a saying: Every scar is a victory.

If you've survived something, you've won.. because now you have the knowledge of what happened to you, and you can use that going forward. People will always try to circumvent the system. That is always a fact. This shouldn't stop you from enjoying something as complex and beautiful as EVE.

There was a fellow yesterday in one of the starter systems giving away ISK, Retrievers, containers filled with ORE to anyone and everyone. He told me that this sort of good will is what he likes to spread with that account. We hardly ever talk about people like that in GD, but there are many of them in EVE.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Mac Stern
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#132 - 2014-04-27 00:42:30 UTC
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:
Mac Stern wrote:
What many you ssume is that game should be played as you want, and that of course what you want is the only way. Here is the truth, always when something has come up, there has been a counter developed. The big corporations are just going to sit back and loose precious minerals because of an afk camper, not likely. They would develop a counter measure, perhaps something a kin to a solar flare which disrupts electronics, etc, etc... In the end though it would not be left alone to disrupt millions of isk.
And the general feeling is that the campers can still camp just not have free rain to do so. That there is in fact some risk to them not getting on a kill mail before dying. After all, you bunch of lack luster debaters say null should be dangerous so why not to campers as well. Bring on the non productive convo, about worm hole space, and how im a whiner, ill still look for the few people actually willing to be debaters rather then haters. Love u all Mac



The founders of EVE came from a game called Ultima Online. It went downhill after the creation of a non-pvp server called Trammel. From my understanding, the founders of EVE left because of it, as did many others.

EVE's base design was to take what was good about UO, in the pre-Trammel days, and apply it to a space game. When you suggest splitting servers into pvp, non-pvp... Older players , many of whom came here from UO, would leave in droves.

All this is in regards to your original split the servers, idea, rather than the AFK cloaking discussion. (It's why you can see a post of someone asking "Did he really just suggest the creation of Trammel?")

Would they leave because they are afraid to face other pvpers? Seems like they would get more epic, chess like battles. Also wut you are saying about ultima online sounds more like hearse y rather then fact. Good job for bringing a from my understanding, into the conversation.
Mac Stern
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#133 - 2014-04-27 00:44:41 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

Like a smoker, I've quit repeatedly over it.

Last time I was away was for a whole year.

I've unsubbed yet again, and am just playing EVE offline until my paid time runs out.

logged in and checked....12 in system 11 in station + the cloaky camper. What an awesomely fun game mechanic.


So, how do you know that player is AFK, or even cloaked?

I'm curious.. What did your landlord say when you complained about these (alleged) AFK cloakers terrorizing your group?

Like pretty much everything you have put into this debate and you yourself, it is irrelevant to what we are talking about.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2014-04-27 00:46:51 UTC
OP I'm probably going to find you and awox you. Just a heads up.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#135 - 2014-04-27 00:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Mac Stern wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

Like a smoker, I've quit repeatedly over it.

Last time I was away was for a whole year.

I've unsubbed yet again, and am just playing EVE offline until my paid time runs out.

logged in and checked....12 in system 11 in station + the cloaky camper. What an awesomely fun game mechanic.


So, how do you know that player is AFK, or even cloaked?

I'm curious.. What did your landlord say when you complained about these (alleged) AFK cloakers terrorizing your group?

Like pretty much everything you have put into this debate and you yourself, it is irrelevant to what we are talking about.


So, they told you to come here and complain?

That's the vibe I'm getting...

Relevant or not, it does not diminish your cowerdice if a single player can lock down your entire operation.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Miss Masquerade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2014-04-27 00:49:04 UTC
I recommend SiSi, if you want to play it safe.
Mac Stern
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#137 - 2014-04-27 00:54:28 UTC
This thread went even better then i thought... but I see no end to the cloaky camper.. vOv... nor trolls and rude people. Fly safe or not up to you...
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#138 - 2014-04-27 01:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Mac Stern wrote:
This thread went even better then i thought... but I see no end to the cloaky camper.. vOv... nor trolls and rude people. Fly safe or not up to you...


The path to take when proving AFK cloaking needs to be disabled is through the possibility of people using game broadcasting services to stream their gameplay through private channels to specific people who could make use of that information, while the cloaker is afk.

If the player wants to stream what he sees while actively playing, that should be fine and allowed, but considering that it can be done while he's afk at no real risk to himself, it's a huge potential exploit that CCP needs to disable the ability to remain cloaked AFK indefinitely with a mechanism that will decloak the cloaker if he's determined AFK.
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2014-04-27 01:05:30 UTC
Mac Stern wrote:

Would they leave because they are afraid to face other pvpers? Seems like they would get more epic, chess like battles. Also wut you are saying about ultima online sounds more like hearse y rather then fact. Good job for bringing a from my understanding, into the conversation.


No. The problem is that the economy depends on pvp. EVE, like UO was, is a sandbox, with heavy economic ties. Destruction is necessary for the economy to function.

When you remove pvp item destruction, the economy stutters to a halt.

In my 2+ years in EVE, I've lost 1 BS to NPC's. I'm not an Industrially oriented player at all, but I've built a total of 15 battleships (most of which I built in my first few months, as a sort of personal goal), if my memory serves.

Without pvp losses, it probably would only take 2-3 months for industrialists to build all of the ships & equipment needed, for everyone. (Plus ongoing ammo consumption, which honestly can be created from mission loot, etc.)

No losses = no sales. No economy.


Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#140 - 2014-04-27 01:11:35 UTC
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:

No losses = no sales. No economy.




No game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.