Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your response is like a straw man to logic.

I define a real miner as someone who chooses to mine as a primary interest, rather than a necessary evil blocking their access to their real play interest.

By real, as may be determined by logic, I define a miner as someone who chooses mining as their desired game itself.

I could just as easily use the term genuine, the key point is that players who actually log in so they can mine, should not have their play interest treated as second class so others can get past it more easily.

Heck, it is likely that many who would change their primary focus to mining are waiting on the gaming aspect to become interesting, and less dumbed down.

NPC Fleets might make mining in the belts interesting. Moving mining into low sector is a no go idea however. If mining was forced into low sector then how would pilots make any isk right out of the gate?

...so, add gravity to wormhole exits.... then miners are just mining along minding their own business and a wormhole opens right next to them, sucks them in, and dumps them in null sec. Forced. Still not seeing anything but humor in this not so wonderful idea.

How are your miners getting the ore out of they go solo?

They are sneaking in, filling up the hold once and getting out. Barring using torrinos/ec- gate (usually a fun gate tbh) 0.0 is a bit of a haul otherwise once you start seeing your routes tied up by bottlenecks like camps and such in map reviews.


The isk per hour would not be there. They'd be eating up too much time moving around.

I have laid out the grand scheme for miners to mine in 0.0 before. One more time:

Train the basic pvp ships

Step 1 train figates+bc (also covers cruisers)+bs

Step 2 cheesedick once in a while roams and ops. They don't have to be pvp or death mindest, they just have to be on them once in while to get the do they pvp sometimes check in the box. Roam/ops 1-2 nights a week, mine the rest. This works...at various times I have been broke in 0.0 and went into null bear mode. Half ass the pvp, hope you live....and rat the rest of the week.


really simple here. They can also not be anti-social tards if they do they above. I helped many a miner when a triple 1.8 spawn landed on their belt. decent easy isk for me and they saved me the effort of looking for it. All they had to do was ask for help. And not be antisocial twits to the point I could not care less to help them out even for the rat bounty. That is also where step 2 comes into play again. Miners who at least showed up to ops I remembered and would gladly help them out. Miners who logged in religiously except for days with cta ops, well, the rats could use them for play toys for all I cared.


this way you get the 0.0 logistics to actually move lots of rock/ore at once. Compress into t1 items, use inter alliance jf courier contracts (as they tend to be cheaper than black frog hopefully....and black frog only runs from npc 0.0 iirc) and voila....the mining is now very profitable for them.