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Six new ships for summer expansion

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Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#341 - 2014-05-03 02:48:50 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
I missed the Twitch stream, and there still seems to be no info published. What was the special flavor given to the Mordu's ships? And am I justified in being disappointed about the Gallente/Caldari bonus (again)?

It sounds like it's going to be fast and agile - second only to the Machariel. Specializing in missiles (yay!) with a warp disruption range bonus. The preliminary release looks like it will support 8 launchers, and the bonus could very well tie-in with rapid launchers (since they're featured on the hull). And it's black. Yes, I was a bit disappointed they didn't go with a Caldari-Minmatar racial line, but I guess the Caldari-Gallente lore is technically more accurate. Did I mention it's stealthy and black?

scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Hmmm... I am tentatively disappointed yet again. I'll wait and see the stats but I think that this might wind up being an extended Rattlesnake fiasco. Oh well, maybe in Winter.

Mordu's Legion are mercenaries, so the warp disruption bonus actually makes sense. We should have the details in the next week or so, and I remain cautiously optimistic...

Once you go black..... right?

"I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining."
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#342 - 2014-05-03 02:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Shamus O'Reilly wrote:
Once you go black..... right?

Exactly! OK, so semi-related... any bets on whether the Mordu line is going to be shield or armor-based?

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IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#343 - 2014-05-03 03:28:05 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
So now the Non-Empire faction lineup looks like this:

Amarr+Caldari - Sansha's Nation

Amarr+Gallente - N/A

Amarr+Minmatar - Blood Raiders

Caldari+Amarr - N/A

Caldari+Gallente - Guristas

Caldari+Minmatar - N/A

Gallente+Amarr - Sisters of EVE

Gallente+Caldari - Mordu's Legion

Gallente+Minmatar - Serpentis

Minmatar+Amarr - N/A

Minmatar+Caldari - N/A

Minmatar+Gallente - Angel Cartel

There's still a lot of room left for new ships in the future Big smile


Yes and no. They have a lot of room for combinations, but they don't have a lot of lore to back them. Take the thukkers for example, they are minmitar in origin but not of sovereignty. The thukkers roam around nullsec in giant caravans and made ships like the jump freighter (yes, the original JF tech). Saying that there will be 5 more sets of pirate ships just because of the race combinations you listed above is completely invalid. They could just as well release EOM ships (God those things are beautiful, but so few have seen them), or more thukker ships.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#344 - 2014-05-03 03:37:01 UTC
There's only one racial line that remains: Caldari-Minmatar.

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#345 - 2014-05-03 03:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
There's only one racial line that remains: Caldari-Minmatar.

Which we thought would be Mordu's, but CCP went with Caldari-Gallente because they still don't know what to do with missiles beyond 50km at the Pirate level.
Ninja Edit: To elaborate, the Rattle looks quite good as a brawler with torps and super-heavies. The Mordu's BS with a point boost is still probably going to be a, relative, brawler with either RHML's or long range torps. CCP has no clue what to do with missiles at range. At least IMO.
Arthur Aihaken
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Kenshin Shogunate.
#346 - 2014-05-03 03:57:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Which we thought would be Mordu's, but CCP went with Caldari-Gallente because they still don't know what to do with missiles beyond 50km at the Pirate level.
Ninja Edit: To elaborate, the Rattle looks quite good as a brawler with torps and super-heavies. The Mordu's BS with a point boost is still probably going to be a, relative, brawler with either RHML's or long range torps. CCP has no clue what to do with missiles at range. At least IMO.

I hope these have a ridonkulously low signature radius. Built-in cloaking would be awesome... it is a "stealth" ship after all, right? Now all we need are some black "stealth" drones to go with this, muhahaha.

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Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#347 - 2014-05-03 04:26:01 UTC
i still liked the part when ccp stated those would have angel type agility with primary missles ( sounds like minmatar + caldari much ? ) only to hear that the racial will be gallente caldari ( lul woot ? ) again Ugh - there goes my dream of a 1.2k+ cruise dps ship Sad
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#348 - 2014-05-03 04:30:49 UTC
Vinyl 41 wrote:
i still liked the part when ccp stated those would have angel type agility with primary missles ( sounds like minmatar + caldari much ? ) only to hear that the racial will be gallente caldari ( lul woot ? ) again Ugh - there goes my dream of a 1.2k+ cruise dps ship Sad

I maintain the opinion that missiles will never be truly competitive with turrets (and now drones as a primary weapon). And yet I still hope that someday they'll prove me wrong.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#349 - 2014-05-03 05:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Vinyl 41 wrote:
i still liked the part when ccp stated those would have angel type agility with primary missles ( sounds like minmatar + caldari much ? ) only to hear that the racial will be gallente caldari ( lul woot ? ) again Ugh - there goes my dream of a 1.2k+ cruise dps ship Sad

Maybe they meant angelic. Lol

scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
I maintain the opinion that missiles will never be truly competitive with turrets (and now drones as a primary weapon). And yet I still hope that someday they'll prove me wrong.

8 launchers, 100% warp disruption range, 10-second rapid launcher reload time and a 200% missile velocity (-150% flight time). I'd totally rock it.

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Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#350 - 2014-05-03 05:49:29 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Vinyl 41 wrote:
i still liked the part when ccp stated those would have angel type agility with primary missles ( sounds like minmatar + caldari much ? ) only to hear that the racial will be gallente caldari ( lul woot ? ) again Ugh - there goes my dream of a 1.2k+ cruise dps ship Sad

Maybe they meant angelic. Lol

scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
I maintain the opinion that missiles will never be truly competitive with turrets (and now drones as a primary weapon). And yet I still hope that someday they'll prove me wrong.

8 launchers, 100% warp disruption range, 10-second rapid launcher reload time and a 200% missile velocity (-150% flight time). I'd totally rock it.

no chance we will prolly get some nestor lvl ships because scrambler bonus needs to be balanced ( basicaly everything else will be **** )
Jose Montalvo
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#351 - 2014-05-03 06:33:14 UTC
They're nice and interesting ships nonetheless. But does anyone knows or even bother to read the history of the Mordus Legion and have you ask yourself why this new ships have bonuses for warp disruptors instead of ECM, the way that Mordus Legion truly is. I mean why bother to try to get centurion implants if your own racial ships are not gonna be able to effectively used them at all. I'll guess time will tell if a rebalance pass is needed for this pirate ships to properly go the Mordus way. Just a though...

Btw nice approach with the Mordus ship line, looking foward to see them in action and put them to the test...
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#352 - 2014-05-03 07:36:54 UTC
Anyone taking odds on when we'll finally get a 2nd missile module? My money is on Eve, the 3rd decade.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#353 - 2014-05-03 08:52:46 UTC
6 new ships confirmed as 3 new Mordu's Legion faction ships, the t2 version of the venture named the prospect, and the new alliance tournament frigate and cruisers. Info for mordu ships and prospect below, as well as some other nice things:

http://themittani.com/news/fanfest-eve-keynote

Thread can now be closed.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#354 - 2014-05-03 10:44:33 UTC
Vinyl 41 wrote:
i still liked the part when ccp stated those would have angel type agility with primary missles ( sounds like minmatar + caldari much ? ) only to hear that the racial will be gallente caldari ( lul woot ? ) again Ugh - there goes my dream of a 1.2k+ cruise dps ship Sad


so the fact that its gallente and not minmatar means it doesnt do as much damage. rogic?

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Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#355 - 2014-05-03 12:37:50 UTC
I honestly expected them to announce a Guristas carrier, what with all the news about Eve: Valkyrie.

What good are fighters if you have no power projection to speak of? I'd wager we're going to see one announced before long.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#356 - 2014-05-03 12:54:28 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Vinyl 41 wrote:
i still liked the part when ccp stated those would have angel type agility with primary missles ( sounds like minmatar + caldari much ? ) only to hear that the racial will be gallente caldari ( lul woot ? ) again Ugh - there goes my dream of a 1.2k+ cruise dps ship Sad


so the fact that its gallente and not minmatar means it doesnt do as much damage. rogic?



no gallente based boat can ever hope to get that amount of damage....Roll


Here is where they are probably trolling for even rattler fits that can break 1k....but they will say yeah but take away drones. Forgetting that other 1.2 k gun bs' often rely on drones to pad the score. They also forget these 1.2k beasts are heavily range dependent. Basically they want 1.2k at 150 km's. Even with missile mechanics that need love thats a lot of "sniping" damage and I just don't see that happening anytime soon.


I don't think we will see this min/cal combo they want tbh. Going through all the bonuses each races gives its hard as hell to avoid doubles of what already around for most "minmatar" designs that fall under the shield tank set up. All I see is speed and sig tank not accounted for. I cannot help but see balance issues with rides almost like a mach (in regards to its speed and sig tank ability) spamming cruise over 100kms. Even current gun machs have to get a bit close. If only to get in better falloff to not lose so much damage to falloff bleed off.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#357 - 2014-05-03 15:41:39 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Here is where they are probably trolling for even rattler fits that can break 1k....but they will say yeah but take away drones. Forgetting that other 1.2 k gun bs' often rely on drones to pad the score. They also forget these 1.2k beasts are heavily range dependent. Basically they want 1.2k at 150 km's. Even with missile mechanics that need love thats a lot of "sniping" damage and I just don't see that happening anytime soon.

If these ships do massive damage, it's not going to come with a range bonus as well.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#358 - 2014-05-03 16:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Zan Shiro wrote:
Here is where they are probably trolling for even rattler fits that can break 1k....but they will say yeah but take away drones. Forgetting that other 1.2 k gun bs' often rely on drones to pad the score. They also forget these 1.2k beasts are heavily range dependent. Basically they want 1.2k at 150 km's. Even with missile mechanics that need love thats a lot of "sniping" damage and I just don't see that happening anytime soon.

If these ships do massive damage, it's not going to come with a range bonus as well.



Cruise even on unbonused hulls is still far reaching. I pyfa'd rohh with CLII and CN ammo (no range boosting rigs and rokh gets no range boosting bonuses for missiles ) and get at all skills 5 148 km's max range. I put some fury in as well. 111km.


These ranges are just a bit more than say....blasterthon/vindi who are usually brought up in paper tiger wars for high dps output. Torp damage wise that hits hard....yeah we can put that on the table. Guy in the pyramid wants this with cruise though. Just not seeing that.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#359 - 2014-05-03 17:14:52 UTC
IDGAD wrote:


Yes and no. They have a lot of room for combinations, but they don't have a lot of lore to back them. Take the thukkers for example, they are minmitar in origin but not of sovereignty. The thukkers roam around nullsec in giant caravans and made ships like the jump freighter (yes, the original JF tech). Saying that there will be 5 more sets of pirate ships just because of the race combinations you listed above is completely invalid. They could just as well release EOM ships (God those things are beautiful, but so few have seen them), or more thukker ships.

Completely true! I didn't mean that they should create more factions, just build upon what we already have to work with- there's still Ammatar, Intaki, EOM (CCP pls), Khanid, et cetera. They have a lot they could use still Big smile

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Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#360 - 2014-05-03 17:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vinyl 41
Zan Shiro wrote:
lots of "missle hater" stuff.

topr damage aplication is garbage so even if we had a ship with 2k+ paper dps the real aplied dps would be a fraction of it - and this cant be said about vindi or blaster kronos
right now only cruise missles are worth their money and there still remains the aspect of aplying all that paper dps to targets past 45km without some heavy aplication bonused hulls like golem or navy raven

anyways if you would scroll a lil bit top ive stated this was my dream ship and as we all know dream usualy dont become reality