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Hello all, yet another bond thread from yet another unknown poster. But don't let this worry you, this bond is to increase my market potential. It will be taking advantage of several market opportunities resulting from the new expansion coming up and rising prices in several market items. No collateral as no assets are held in any significant quantity.

Several characters have been noted as suspicious in MD and as a result your isk will be returned and posts ignored in this thread. Trying to start this bond will be difficult as it is without the appearance of known scam supporters. If I have accepted a bond share from such a suspected person please feel free to inform me of this and the share will be removed and the investment will be returned.

Shares will be in 500mil increments only, any excess will be returned. As a 3 month bond, there is no early withdrawal. The first month has no return meaning that the equivalent rate is 8.333% per month over the entire duration but the resulting return payments will receive 12.5% per month in the last two months. I don't care about rep, this is not a bond to get rep.

Terms and Conditions:

500mil per share
Short term means no early withdrawal
First month has no return
Returns made in the final week of the month
No collateral

Current investors:

(None so far)

Obvious editing section here

The OP seeks to crowdsource the identification of suspected shill alts[1]. Whether or not the purpose of this exercise is to help the OP to winnow the successful from the failed amongst his or her own set of alts is left as an exercise for the reader.

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To be fair, I think this is the sort of issue which probably does need covering in loan offerings, it just forms such a large segment of this particular writeup that it seems too forced and a little suspect. If I recall many moons back some partially hypothetical and partially real questions arose around scam-the-scammer - ie. if a known scammer invests in your offering should you / will you scam the scammer and return their capital instead to their victims rather than to the scammer. Ironically I think Cosmo was one who pulled the scam the scammer angle and it triggered much beard stroking and psuedo intellectual moral philosophising.

I stuck the following in my offering a few months back to address this:



... but then that was buried within a wall of text so deep I don't think anyone actually read that far down before falling asleep out of sheer boredom.


Anyway, apologies for the tangent. With regard to the offering above from ObviousForumAlt, naturally this one is going to be a very tough sell. It's not so much that people think you're a scammer (though they may, and you may be) but that there is relatively little to distinguish you from one. In just about any online scenario, but especially and (perhaps) uniquely in Eve thanks to it's "scams are fine" ruleset in the abscence of information the default position is "scam". The size, the relative scarcity of information available to form a guess as to your character, and the lack of any sort of collateral are all going to be significant hurdles.

It also perhaps come at an unfortunate time in that you're asking people who are essentially sinking most of their own liquidity into patch speculation right now to fund your own patch speculation liquidity - if it seems pretty clear that waffles are going to go through the roof on patch day then those with money to spare (ie those who'd typically be looking to use that spare money in investments) are already going to be putting a lot of that money into waffles.

Even more ironically was riethe's request at the time -after that cosmo incident you described -for cosmo to be a 3rd party player on a loan he would offer on MD forum.Cosmo did agree to it and there was a lot of talk going back and forth on the forum but as allways with MD it was empty talk.The loan never actually launched and riethe prob mostly did it to heat things up as he allways liked to do that.

Still it was odd someone would play 3rd party for a known scammer.If cosmo would have kept the collateral afterwards and said fck the scammer AND those who hand over isk to him OR if he would have kept to his 3rd party deal is something we never will know though.