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One could use this very reasoning as an excuse never to do anything in lowsec again. Phear the supercap blob, they gonna get ya!

Oh don't misunderstand me. I enjoy running around low-sec and tempting fate. It's about the only thing that gets my adrenaline going these days. I'm simply stating that no one is actually against player interaction (least of all me). We all understand that's what makes Eve unique. I just don't want the economy collapsing from the stress that this feature will put on it.

The pure capitalism that Eve emulates is a testament to how strong a free-market economy is. There have been many changes and we've survived them all. The objection that many others and myself have with this particular feature is that the chaos in the economy will be far-reaching. It will literally touch everything that is involved with the market (some to a different degree than others) unlike what the other features announced for this patch will be doing. This is mostly due to the PI materials making their way into every facet of POS and sov mechanics. The connection to trade goods and therefore t2 manufacturing can likewise not be ignored.

We simply want CCP to make sure they know what the hell they are doing with this feature, because 'making changes and monitoring the situation' is impossible when you have it touching EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS TO 90% OF THE EVE POPULATION. This kind of change is on the scale of rewriting the entire Eve code base in C#. Sure, it can be done - in theory. But there are a ton of 'things' (again >< mentioned previously) that could slip through the cracks and FUBAR Eve.

This is not a ******* whine fest from myself. I have a vested ******* interest in this game. I care. And I'm ******* tired of others not caring enough to even give this **** a second look. If I sound pissed/irate/unreasonably upset, it's because one can only scream for so long with no one listening before one finally cracks.

One idea i have on pi is to alow planetary flight to avoid the cutsom office. The only thing for planetary flight is the fact that it will take awhile to fly to the docking bay planetside after deorbiting. When you do deorbit, you will be near the location of your docking bay. Ofcourse you can still fly planetside, you just arive planet side anywhere you chose, but still not to close to the docking bay of other people. The docking bay will also be at the launch pad, but the pad will require an upgrade to beable to handle ships. It doesn't have to be full planetary flight right away, just around the docking bay for the first bit, say 100 km radius from the docking bay, with a high quality radius of 10 km around the ship, from 10 km to 50 km lighter quality, and also gets hidden by the horrizon, so if it a planet with a large curcumfrince around the equator will have a large view, and smaller planets will have a smaller viewing radius. Just putting this in for thought

The silence of CCP now seems to indicate that they've done all they feel they need to do and people's opinions don't mean **** anymore. Feed someone crap long enough and dog food will start to look good.

The difference between towers and POCOs is that POCO's only defense is the owner. Literally, anyone can tear them down. They don't need super cap blobs. A determined small gang of aggressive battleships doesn't even need to fear the focused fire of tower guns. There are none. Then we get into the reinforcement timer 'games' that have been beaten to death in discussion.

You're being facetious, but this is a gaping hole in the design for something that costs so much in isk and time with very little ROI. The discussion further degrades into even more arguments that have been AGAIN beaten to death in the other thread.

Sorry, haven't read 11 pages of responses. Hell I haven't even read your blog(s) closely. But, let me just say this

STILL A STUPID "FEATURE" THAT NOONE ASKED FOR.

honestly, more structure shooting? is that really something you want to introduce to the game? Makes no sense for high sec. Hurts lowsec. Meh in 0.0 and wormies.

Incorrect. This is orders of magnitude larger because of the change that requires tower and sov structures to be built from (you guessed it) PI materials. Because these are based on the prices of the PI materials, everything that requires a tower (from a practical standpoint) is based on those costs. This means a considerable portion of T2 manufacture (besides the trade good requirements), Blueprint research (meaningful contributory research does not happen in stations anymore - see: high value BPO research ), drug production, some t1 manufacturing (large scale stuff), capitals, etc... The list goes on. All of these costs are (sadly) now tied to what it takes for Joe blow to run a tower.

The change removing trade goods from the economy was a much more gradual change in a time where more things were based on an NPC seeded economy (see: towers and sov structs). I'm not saying the player base won't be able to (eventually) cope with this type of change. It can be enough to impact the number of people that are available to contribute to the economy significantly. Again, there are many assumptions being made that the people monitoring this thread will agree are incorrect.

The point being made here is that random violence occurs in random places in low-sec. An insurance idea was put forth to help recoup some of the costs of the 'shiny target', but that's the closest thing I've seen to a reasonable response to the random violence that Low-sec allows and encourages. It doesn't matter where you live. It can strike anywhere there are valid targets. In many cases, valid targets are docked or otherwise unavailable while a force occupies a system. With the advent of POCO's, there will be a ready supply of targets for people wanting to test out DPS on their new ship builds.

With my towers I can configure them to make hurting them something non-trivial. These are defenseless structures that anyone can shoot. That makes this with other things makes this one fo CCPs worst ideas to date,

Issler

While I can't speak to Isslers situation ( The overwhelming majority of nullsec fleeters hate structure shooting because you don't get corpses or bragging rights ) ... wow, I just had a spectacular sense of Deja Nous. I feel like I started typing almost this exact same bit about this topic or one similar a few months ago, and then deleted it unposted figuring "you know what, they don't need the heads up they'll figure it out on their own".

OK, the long and short of it is I go where things happen be it Null, Low, or Highsec.
I have done PI in highsec, I have done it in nullsec, and I have done it in Lowsec.

You're welcome to PI in highsec. There's so many people do it and the yields are so low you have have your tablescraps. I don't want them.

PI in Nullsec is insidiously profitable for the effort involved.
PI in lowsec isn't bad. If my calculations are correct I can make enough fuel for 2 large towers from my own PI in .3 ( some trading involved but pretty close ).

I don't know about "living" in lowsec because I don't limit myself like that and many others likely don't either. The main thing that keeps you out of null/lowsec is paranoia, and out of high is sec status. That's all in your own hands. I'm a citizen of New Eden, not some sec status.

The truth is planets are a lot more homogenous than people want to admit. There is no Tech moon equivalant. Unless someone tries to commandeer "all plasma planets" or somesuch it's pointless. It's far too localized. The tax profits are also likely to be laughable. If anything, most POCOs will be erected to control access. ( ensure someone else doesn't close you out, or to reserve it for you and yours. ) Even then it's a minor argument. Plasma planets are uncommon but they're not at all rare. There's at least one every few jumps. Few people want to organize to pop structures for that little profit and even fewer will want to rep them. You're not even dealing with stront timers, you set the hour! If a big red meany is coming to get your toy you can even negotiate a sale with them and transfer ownership. That's a win in my book. As for NPC corps... notice there's separate bars for each range, and for neutral rep. If you're that into klownshoe politics you could bar access to neutrals and tax everyone else!

The market in EVE is self correcting in a way that real world markets never will be. PI prices have been going up making it more profitable and undoubtedly getting more people interested but it all boils down to "How much ISK per hour can I make doing thing X VS what risk?" and as those things go PI is at this time I believe more profitable for much lower risk than running a POS. Granted, you can run a POS with very little training, PI takes more training time so there's that, but a POCO is an ISK investment and it will take time, like anything else, to make that ISK back so if the rates are low or people don't care they can be a long term trickle of ISK into your corp wallet not unlike datacores, but unlike datacores people can shoot at them when you're not looking. It's a new dynamic, and I'm a fan of new dynamics.

Personally I'm ready to take a chance on these banking that when it really comes down to it, if you don't bar anyone from using it and your rates are reasonable nobody is going to care enough to come take it from you.

In closing... relax a bit and let the Dev's do their thing with POCO's. They're not Tech moons.