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Doc Fury

Furious Enterprises

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#101 - 2014-04-29 02:25:58 UTC | Edited by: Doc Fury

ashley Eoner wrote:

Doc Fury wrote:

ashley Eoner wrote:

Do you not realize that most of the time plex cost more then a regular subscription..

They always cost more than paying CCP for a sub.

Yeah but sometimes they have a buy a bundle of plex for a deeply discounted price sale and I believe that puts it below the cost of a subscription.

I think Amazon once last year ran a 25% off sale that worked out to be approx $12.50 per PLEX when you bought packs of 3 or 6 PLEX. Right now the best deal is $17/PLEX when you buy in bulk.

When you pay your sub in advance that regularly costs $12.95/mo and $11.95/mo respectively for 3 or 6 months. CCP sometimes has sales where this is as low as $8.33/mo.

So I stand corrected, at least once buying PLEX was less expensive (0.45/mo) than paying a sub at regular price, but only when buying 3 at a time and only when they were on sale at 25% off.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Master Flakattack

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#102 - 2014-04-29 03:51:47 UTC | Edited by: Master Flakattack

Anyone seriously arguing for the removal of PLEX on the basis that "CCP will make more money" does not understand the PLEX mechanic at all.

All PLEX does is redistribute the cost of an EVE subscription from one player to another. Whether Person A purchases a PLEX with their credit card and sells it to Person B or Person B buys a month sub changes nothing: Person B gets his 30 days and CCP gets their money. It does not, at any point, remove money (or potential gains) from CCP, and in fact, it could easily be argued that PLEX creates extra revenue opportunities for CCP that would otherwise not exist (generally in the form of alts).

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#103 - 2014-04-29 06:08:29 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

PLEX on the other hand is a virtual item in a game that can be redeemed for in game things, one of which is access to a game, that you have already agreed doesn't belong to you. I don't think that really counts as a liability.

PLEX is a virtual financial instrument that can be exercised for a number of things — in and out of the game.

It can be used to pay for (real-life) subscription time, for (real-life) account services and alterations, for (real-life) relief donations, for (real-life) event tickets — hell, you can us it to pay for services from other out-of-game service providers using CCP as a service broker. In fact, the in-game options for using a PLEX are far fewer than the out-of-game ones. In-game, it can be redeemed for two things: AUR and a resculpt… and the latter is really just another account service.

Yes, you can also trade it like any other instrument, but that doesn't affect CCP in the slightest since it's not one of their services and since you're not exercising the PLEX options in any way.

Not counting it as a liability when it does exactly what a textbook liability does would be… ill-advised.

Earthan

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#104 - 2014-04-29 11:00:45 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Earthan wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

I dont buy PLEX and I still enjoy playing

20m is a lot to me

Am I doing it wrong?

I guess you can neve rbe wrong if you enjoy it:)

However if you pvp , you got to be at least be in same range of isk to compete. MAening i dont use officer items cause i cant afford them and they arentt really needed, but t2 are pretty much needed for serious pvp. And it means around 200-250 milions per ship/loss which in my case means PLEX.

I dunno, are there Officer Bomb Launchers and Cloaks?

SB is a 30m loss, which, while steep, is recoverable with only a little effort

Yes because SB is such an universially accepted all around pvp ship Roll

I took an around price of t2 ships (hacs/recons) + modules as general rule. Ofc you can pvp in bcs or interceptors and risk only a little. But for me , your window of possible targets will shrink alot just like with SB , which is a very specific usage ship.

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#105 - 2014-04-29 11:03:34 UTC

Earthan wrote:

Yes because SB is such an universially accepted all around pvp ship Roll

You do a lot of PvE in a Purifier? Your braver than I thought.

Any ship outside empire space is a target when you have SB. And in Empire space it can still be fitted as a Covert combat platform.

Its the single most flexible PvP platform there is.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Earthan

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#106 - 2014-04-29 11:05:57 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Earthan wrote:

Yes because SB is such an universially accepted all around pvp ship Roll

Sure have fun attacking a drake, harbringer, deimos, eagle, enyo, harpy, lachesis, hugin and much more in a SB. When you kill it 1-1 plz plz let me know.

Its just how all around pvp ship it is.

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#107 - 2014-04-29 11:24:25 UTC | Edited by: Ramona McCandless

Earthan wrote:

Sure have fun attacking a drake, harbringer, deimos, eagle, enyo, harpy, lachesis, hugin and much more in a SB. When you kill it 1-1 plz plz let me know.

Its just how all around pvp ship it is.

Sorry what does 1 v 1 have to do with PvP in EvE exactly?

This just in, SBs are not for either PvP or PvE

Must be a mining ship

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Earthan

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#108 - 2014-04-29 11:41:04 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Earthan wrote:

Sure have fun attacking a drake, harbringer, deimos, eagle, enyo, harpy, lachesis, hugin and much more in a SB. When you kill it 1-1 plz plz let me know.

Its just how all around pvp ship it is.

Sorry what does 1 v 1 have to do with PvP in EvE exactly?

This just in, SBs are not for either PvP or PvE

Must be a mining ship

You know what? You are just arguing for the sake of arguing, not willing to admit the very obvious point. Enjoy pvping in bomber, i will enjoy in other ships , and maybe sometime we will meet in space....

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#109 - 2014-04-29 11:43:24 UTC | Edited by: Ramona McCandless

Earthan wrote:

No I really am not

Im saying that the idea that you need to spend over a billion isk just to pvp is a complete fallacy and tbh if you are telling the noobs in your corp this, thats pretty irresponsible.

I was replying to YOUR post that stated you wished it was like years ago when you didnt need to spend hundreds of millions to enjoy the game, I was TRYING to explain to you it hasnt changed if you dont want to follow the herd.

EDIT: and your list isnt exactly full of all-rounders you know (drake, harbringer, deimos, eagle, enyo, harpy, lachesis, hugin), they are pretty specialised in all cases.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Earthan

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#110 - 2014-04-29 11:49:24 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Earthan wrote:

No I really am not

Im saying that the idea that you need to spend over a billion isk just to pvp is a complete fallacy and tbh if you are telling the noobs in your corp this, thats pretty irresponsible.

EDIT: and your list isnt exactly full of all-rounders you know (drake, harbringer, deimos, eagle, enyo, harpy, lachesis, hugin), they are pretty specialised in all cases.

You are putting in my mouth words i ddint say. You can pvp in even a kestrel with chances of success , but they are pretty slim. You need or numbers or quality.Ofc even a t3 ship will fall to 30 destroyers. There is a golden medium here and imho its t2 ships with t2 modules, that for reasonable price allow you to have best chance of success with comparable numbers.

For the record :

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Ramona+McCandless

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Earthan

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#111 - 2014-04-29 11:54:49 UTC | Edited by: Ramona McCandless

Earthan wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Earthan wrote:

No I really am not

Im saying that the idea that you need to spend over a billion isk just to pvp is a complete fallacy and tbh if you are telling the noobs in your corp this, thats pretty irresponsible.

EDIT: and your list isnt exactly full of all-rounders you know (drake, harbringer, deimos, eagle, enyo, harpy, lachesis, hugin), they are pretty specialised in all cases.

lol KBs :snerk: does mine look like the KB of someone who cares about them?

You know posting KB links is againt the GD forum rules right?

I dont know what words Im supposedly putting in your mouth, I dont believe I incorrectly quoted anything you said.

And I had editted my last post by the time you posted this one, so feel free to edit your reply

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Earthan

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#112 - 2014-04-29 12:22:41 UTC

I ddint know its against the rules.

And dont get me wrong ,i got tons of respect for corps like brave newbies etc, its awesome. But its what they are, places to learn and develop, as you learn more you will start using more expensive ships to have better chances. Again you bend what i said i said in my prev posts 200-250 milions per ship loss, you twist it into 1 bilion, just to make me look unreasonable. Roll

Lets just agree to disagree, i think we wont convince each other, this discussion has become pointless.Ii wont reply to it anymore.

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#113 - 2014-04-29 12:24:26 UTC

Earthan wrote:

Lets just agree to disagree, i think we wont convince each other, this discussion has become pointless.Ii wont reply to it anymore.

Fair enough, though I didnt say that you said anything about a billion, for the record.

The funny thing was, this started with me agreeing with you.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann


Earthan Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 16	#114 - 2014-04-29 12:43:32 UTC 1 Ramona McCandless wrote: Im saying that the idea that you need to spend over a billion isk just to pvp is a complete fallacy and tbh if you are telling the noobs in your corp this, thats pretty irresponsible.

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#115 - 2014-04-29 12:47:58 UTC

Earthan wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Im saying that the idea that you need to spend over a billion isk just to pvp is a complete fallacy and tbh if you are telling the noobs in your corp this, thats pretty irresponsible.

Yup, no quotes and note the "if"

Its cool, I can see where you are coming from if you find PVP very expensive and feel PLEX sales have caused this to happen

Im just saying I disagree and can have fun for less than the income from a L3 mission.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

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