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What if CCP eliminated PLEX?

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#61 - 2014-04-23 18:40:17 UTC
People nee to realize that only four things will drive plex prices down:

1) unhooking Aurum from plex.

2) flooding the market with more plex (law of supply and demand)

3) people stop using plex (law of supply and demand)

4) CCP makes plex and NPC bought item (this though completely messes with the entire idea of what a plex actually is.)

That's is, basic econ. Complaining about prices won't help, you want to lower prices? Pull your your CC and buy as much plex for cash as you can and flood the market.

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fudface
ACME-INC
#62 - 2014-04-23 21:04:35 UTC
Hevymetal wrote:
Not that I am advocating it, because I am not. But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.

No more playing without paying. AUR, resculpting and transfers are only availanle through cash payments.

What would the ramifications be?

Other then forum threadnaughts and an initial decrease in the active players.

Would CCP actually make more money in the end? Would the playerbase be reduced by 20% or more? How would it effect you?



if i could not pay the game time with isk i would not be playing. i dont have the real life money to justify paying for an internet spaceship game. remove plex and you remove me from playing.

my 2 isk worth

my 2 isk worth

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-04-23 21:14:42 UTC
A certain downtown area near where I live had an issue with parking (not enough of it). So, the city passed a law that each business had to provide sufficient parking for its establishment, and if they could not provide it on their own property, they could rent from others that ran parking not businesses, or if not that, they'd be taxed to pay for the city built parking garages.

A decade later, the parking problem is gone. Some people expanded the lots on their property, some buildings got torn down and turned into private lots that business rent. and the city built lots that are paid for with the tax.

Now that there is no parking problem, some of the business owners have suggested revoking the law.... so that they can build into the area that it currently their lot, or make their business more profitable by not having to pay for private or city owned parking lots.....

As if the problem would not come right back, if the law that fixed it were revoked!


IF, and that is a huge IF, RMT is under control, then it is only because their is a mechanism in game where you can pay real money and get ISK in return. Remove that "legal" mechanism for converting real money into ISK, and RMT would again EXPLODE!


And, would there be any rules against a freindly agreement between me and another player? He pays my subscription and I hand him 700 million ISK a month? Becuase that is effectivly all the PLEX mechanism is. I give you ISK, and you pay for my subscrition so that I can grind the ISK for you, so that you do not have to grind it yourself.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#64 - 2014-04-23 21:24:38 UTC
A world without bot miners, tritanium selling for 50ISK a unit, and the few at-keyboard miners who remain (such as myself) sitting on solid gold toilets by the end of the year.

Oh well... it was a good dream.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#65 - 2014-04-23 22:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Hevymetal wrote:
Not that I am advocating it, because I am not. But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.

No more playing without paying. AUR, resculpting and transfers are only availanle through cash payments.

What would the ramifications be?

Other then forum threadnaughts and an initial decrease in the active players.

Would CCP actually make more money in the end? Would the playerbase be reduced by 20% or more? How would it effect you?


You see; this will never happen, primarily because there are enough people that buy a 'whole lot' of plex that would not all of a sudden make new accounts. I hazard that people primarily use plex for isk injection and not account subs. You know why I say this. I say it because of the little note at the bottom of the plex purchase page.

Just so you do not need to log in to find it I will post it right here for you.


"Those interested in purchasing packages containing 300 or more PLEX may email us at PLEXSales@ccpgames.com."


EDIT:

DaReaper wrote:


That's is, basic econ. Complaining about prices won't help, you want to lower prices? Pull your your CC and buy as much plex for cash as you can and flood the market.


And even that would not be the best fiscal move. Slowly leak them in and maximize profit unless the isk is needed immediately.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#66 - 2014-04-23 22:50:07 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
People nee to realize that only four things will drive plex prices down:

1) unhooking Aurum from plex.

2) flooding the market with more plex (law of supply and demand)

3) people stop using plex (law of supply and demand)

4) CCP makes plex and NPC bought item (this though completely messes with the entire idea of what a plex actually is.)

That's is, basic econ. Complaining about prices won't help, you want to lower prices? Pull your your CC and buy as much plex for cash as you can and flood the market.


I recommend none of these suggestions, because anything that makes it harder to sub 50 accounts for belt-clearing one-player isoboxer fleets or those botting asshats, is completely supported by me and pretty much everyone else that actually cares about this game.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-04-23 22:57:35 UTC
Eliminating PLEX would mainly disadvantage the new players with little play time who use PLEX to get some leverage into the game. It would also effect hardcore PvPers who pay with subs and use PLEX to replace their ship losses.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-04-26 16:33:59 UTC
Wouldn't affect me at all.

Always seen PLEX as a luxury, a useful tool when the price was right.

The price is no longer right, but that's okay -- because I'm not dependant on trading ISK for PLEX to keep my accounts going.

And neither should anyone else. Sub prices haven't changed much at all over the years (aside from currency exchange costs) but PLEX prices are nearly at 750mil from an approximate starting "value" of 300mil several years ago.

Do the math, PLEX have outlived their usefulness to the average player.

And if you can't afford 15$ or 15E to play every month (or whatever it costs), well, such is life.



"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#69 - 2014-04-27 05:08:24 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
People nee to realize that only four things will drive plex prices down:

1) unhooking Aurum from plex.

2) flooding the market with more plex (law of supply and demand)

3) people stop using plex (law of supply and demand)

4) CCP makes plex and NPC bought item (this though completely messes with the entire idea of what a plex actually is.)

That's is, basic econ. Complaining about prices won't help, you want to lower prices? Pull your your CC and buy as much plex for cash as you can and flood the market.


I recommend none of these suggestions, because anything that makes it harder to sub 50 accounts for belt-clearing one-player isoboxer fleets or those botting asshats, is completely supported by me and pretty much everyone else that actually cares about this game.


Oh boo hoo.

Point to the spot on the ice asteroid dolly where those 40 bad Procurers touched you.

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

PizzaGirlDeepDish
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-04-27 06:13:31 UTC
Plex was the smartest thing CCP ever did to fight back against real money traders. If they got rid of Plex then eve would die.
Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-04-27 06:38:42 UTC
One great thing that would happen is, alot of alts would die. And players would be forced to use other real players for things like hauling.

Bad thing that would happen is that my pvp would hault.
Ralen Zateki
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#72 - 2014-04-27 07:35:11 UTC
If CCP did away with PLEX would I still be able to buy cake? Cuz I like cake... a lot.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-04-27 13:14:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Hevymetal wrote:
How would it effect you?

affect, not effect.

I'd go back from 4 accounts (one of which has two characters training) to a single account.

I doubt that I'd quit EVE entirely but it's likely I would handle it the same way I do WoW, FFXIV, GW2, WoT, ... i.e. play (and subscribe) for a month or two after major updates, then get bored and switch to something else.

.

Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-04-27 13:18:11 UTC
You are dumber than I previously thought.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#75 - 2014-04-27 13:19:12 UTC
Why DO birds

Suddenly Appear!?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Quaggan Stomp
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-04-27 21:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Quaggan Stomp
Hevymetal wrote:
Not that I am advocating it, because I am not. But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.

No more playing without paying. AUR, resculpting and transfers are only availanle through cash payments.

What would the ramifications be?

Other then forum threadnaughts and an initial decrease in the active players.

Would CCP actually make more money in the end? Would the playerbase be reduced by 20% or more? How would it effect you?


I would love for this to happen but its too late. At this point they are far better off making a sequel to this game and without PLEX, and in fact, I think they should.

I support anything and everything that goes towards getting rid of multi-boxing, stupid alting (cyno alts, scanning alts, mining alts, anl alts, crapping alts, etc.) and botting.

This MMO demotes teamplay and social interaction via Plex functionality, this is a huge chunk of the multitude of reasons why it never made it to be one of the games at the top of the heap. Which is a real shame, because its a nice game, just needs to get rid of the outdated stuff, the wanna-be hardass e-peen tweens, and crap like PLEX.

I do understand that PLEX is an extra revenue stream for them, but they should have done it via fluff and some limited extended functionality, such as most MMOs do nowadays, rather then extra monthly account subs.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#77 - 2014-04-27 21:20:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:

The hassles only bother accountants, and no-one cares about them.


No it doesn't.

USing accrual accounting any income over the accounting period is recognised on the accounting books at the point of sale. Meaning that as soon as you buy a PLEX I record it as a sale. Subscriptions are similarly recorded as they are sold, so if I buy 3 months of game time every 3 months then that gets recognised once every 3 months, not once a month.

Accountants literally don't care how you pay money to CCP, and in fact this is probably one of the simplest things to account for.

CCP's R&D spend is probably the area that accountants have the most difficulty with as they need to decide whether they can/will capitalise R&D spend spreading the cost out over multiple years rather than 1 payment.

Of course, you'd know all that sort of stuff before making comments like that wouldn't you?

If CCP got rid of PLEX they'd realistically take a drop in income, as not every player who buys PLEX does so to PLEX their account. Whether or not this would improve the game as you'd see a drastic reduction in the number of people with like 12 alts is a matter of opinion.

If you're of the opinion that this game would be better if everyone had less alts (which I am) it is plausible that by getting rid of PLEX you'd improve the game, thus leading to an increase in subscriptions.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#78 - 2014-04-27 21:31:19 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Why DO birds

Suddenly Appear!?


They long to be close to you.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Marsha Mallow
#79 - 2014-04-27 21:39:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Tippia wrote:

The hassles only bother accountants, and no-one cares about them.

No it doesn't.
*Drivel* Especially:
Accountants literally don't care how you pay money to CCP, and in fact this is probably one of the simplest things to account for.

Now, I already knew you are thick as pigshit, but please don't drag us all into your blackhole of silliness.

Nobody cares about accountants in Eve, and rightly so. They're incredibly narrowminded and violently foolish, which you just proved with those remarks. Although I suspect you are a book-keeper, or a 'QBE' eh.

They can't form a reliable accrual system for plex. It's a persistent and volatile liability. You do understand the difference between assets and liablities ye? Accruals refer to bills you expect and budget for, not cash in hand for unpaid services. Bad debt write-offs being the reverse.
This has been discussed before in MD at length via people with :brain:, I suggest you go there so they can slap you up and down. Cos, you seem to enjoy it. And I really can't be arsed

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-04-28 03:06:21 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Why DO birds

Suddenly Appear!?


As opposed to "With the birds I share this lonely view " ?