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What if CCP eliminated PLEX?
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Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
#41 - 2014-04-23 16:56:11 UTC
The game would be the way it was when I joined it.

Suddenly, it would be again about skill points, your experience in the game... AND your ability to make money. It is easy enough to make money, but so are the other things. Yet, as this was a challenge for the "elite PvP players", they had to dumb it down.

Back then, when losing a ship had meaning (beyond chipping in cash for ISK) the game was different. [melancholy off]

On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid.
Kudos12345
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-04-23 17:04:20 UTC
Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's.
Dave Stark
#43 - 2014-04-23 17:06:14 UTC
Kudos12345 wrote:
Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's.


as some one who has done both.

level 4s are more enjoyable.
Solecist Project
#44 - 2014-04-23 17:12:37 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kudos12345 wrote:
Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's.


as some one who has done both.

level 4s are more enjoyable.

Mining the meat at the McD, ey? :)

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Anslo
Scope Works
#45 - 2014-04-23 17:14:41 UTC
I remember when plex didn't exist. Didn't bug me or the others back then. But now a days...it's too tied to the game. People rely on plex to sub. It sucks, ESPECIALLY with how high the price is. I remember when a plex, 30 days game time, was around 150mil.

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#46 - 2014-04-23 17:27:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Unezka Turigahl
From the CSM minutes:

Quote:
Game Design said that, long-term, they would like to collapse things to just two currencies. Several CSM members pointed out it would be quite simple to sell game time through the store: one month game time: 3500 Aurum (the conversion for one PLEX).


People may not be able to buy PLEX with cash in the future, they'll have to buy 3500 Aurum from CCP, exchange it for a PLEX from the store, and then sell the PLEX on market. Or maybe they'll even do away with PLEX as an item and require people to buy Aurum for ISK, from people who bought Aurum for cash... then use the Aurum to buy non-transferable game-time. In which case, PLEX will be "eliminated". That would kinda suck though...
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#47 - 2014-04-23 17:29:18 UTC
Quote:
What if CCP eliminated PLEX?


It would be replaced by Aurum.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2014-04-23 17:35:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Make no mistake in thinking that PLEX and AUR are two different things. Because they aren't. Both are meant to convert real money into virtual assets.
…and that is why AUR is completely pointless. Nothing it does could not already be done through existing means when it was introduced and nothing has been introduced since that gives it any meaning or requires its use. It was implemented to provide content for a part of the game that was abandoned. It was retained to provide an EVE-Dust link that seems to be abandoned. It relies on code that was never finished and that replicated what was already in the game but without any of the pre-existing features.

Quote:
Just because it currently doesn't see any use doesn't mean that Aurum is worse as a currency than PLEX is. There simply was no reason to use Aurum until the skip skins came along.

There still is no reason to use AUR — the game has two and a half currencies as it is, two of which are trivially transferrable and one that could be made transferrable just as trivially if they chose to.


Ignore my explaination. Okay. Sure. Guess that settles that then.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#49 - 2014-04-23 17:40:29 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
CCP needs to eliminate PLEX, it's a stupid useless item that can be easily replaced with the already existing Aurum system. Buy gametime with Aurum tokens instead of a specific PLEX item.


Somehow actually dumber than OP.....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#50 - 2014-04-23 17:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
For a future shop in EVE aurum is more friendly than PLEX as a currency. PLEX bought in that shop for aurum could stay as game item that have only one function, to add gametime to your account, as a traditional "earn gametime thru playing" way of life for some people. Other than that, all can be rewriten to be accomplished with aurum.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Dave Stark
#51 - 2014-04-23 17:41:24 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kudos12345 wrote:
Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's.


as some one who has done both.

level 4s are more enjoyable.

Mining the meat at the McD, ey? :)

your mother was our most frequent customer.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2014-04-23 17:45:44 UTC
Hevymetal wrote:
what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control, we need more influx of cash and we are tired of dealing with the additional hassles that PLEX create.


By "additional hassles" you mean "oh god what do we do with all this extra money the players are giving us"? Because thats the sort of hassle I could be doing with.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#53 - 2014-04-23 17:47:08 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Ignore my explaination. Okay. Sure. Guess that settles that then.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying that none of what you describe needs AUR to happen—it is a completely pointless addition to the game.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#54 - 2014-04-23 17:48:21 UTC
What if you had to pass a IQ test to post in GD?

What if Greedo shot first?

What if you mated a bull dog and a shitsu, would it be called a bullshit?



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Solecist Project
#55 - 2014-04-23 17:48:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kudos12345 wrote:
Actually flipping burgers at MacDonalds is a more efficient way to make isk than to grind level 4's.


as some one who has done both.

level 4s are more enjoyable.

Mining the meat at the McD, ey? :)

your mother was our most frequent customer.

Oh wow, looks like I struck a nerve.

Sorry.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#56 - 2014-04-23 17:51:10 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
What if you had to pass a IQ test to post in GD?

What if Greedo shot first?

What if you mated a bull dog and a shitsu, would it be called a bullshit?

ROFLMAO

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2014-04-23 17:55:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Ignore my explaination. Okay. Sure. Guess that settles that then.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying that none of what you describe needs AUR to happen—it is a completely pointless addition to the game.


Same could be said for PLEX since they're essentially the same thing. Now what?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2014-04-23 18:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
TigerXtrm wrote:
Same could be said for PLEX since they're essentially the same thing. Now what?

Now you're being wilfully obtuse.

Something like PLEX did not exist before PLEX were created. GTCs did one of the things PLEX can do but lacked all the efficiency and expedience. AUR actually lacks it even more since it was never fully implemented, and it being a complete afterthought to the game is readily apparent since all it does is steal content that were meant for other parts of the game.

So no, the same thing cannot be said for PLEX, nor are they even remotely the same thing. One is a trade good that is fully implemented into the game; the other is a non-currency that serves no purpose that wouldn't be better served by one of the existing currencies.
Brusanan
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#59 - 2014-04-23 18:14:47 UTC
Hevymetal wrote:
But what if CCP said "Enough" we have RMT under control...

PLEX was how CCP got RMT under control. If CCP got rid of PLEX, RMT would be a major issue in Eve again.

And of course everything else in your OP was wrong, but other people have covered those things.

And anyone who thinks PLEX should be removed really have no idea what they are talking about. PLEX has only ever been a good thing for Eve. There are no downsides at all to them.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#60 - 2014-04-23 18:37:12 UTC
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
From the CSM minutes:

Quote:
Game Design said that, long-term, they would like to collapse things to just two currencies. Several CSM members pointed out it would be quite simple to sell game time through the store: one month game time: 3500 Aurum (the conversion for one PLEX).


People may not be able to buy PLEX with cash in the future, they'll have to buy 3500 Aurum from CCP, exchange it for a PLEX from the store, and then sell the PLEX on market. Or maybe they'll even do away with PLEX as an item and require people to buy Aurum for ISK, from people who bought Aurum for cash... then use the Aurum to buy non-transferable game-time. In which case, PLEX will be "eliminated". That would kinda suck though...



This however will not help fix ingame prices, which is the complaint most people are having. Removing plex and having you buy game time with Aurum, and selling Aurum on the market, you will get the same issue we have now. Aurum will go up in price as more thigns are added to be bought with it, esp if the dust and eve economies merge. Nothing will change long term

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