Warfare & Tactics

+1 for Timer Rollbacks/Dual Timers.

Cearain for CSM!

Well I was going to say "ADHD", but autistic works as well.

Thanks for the reply.

CCP has a clear history of examples where they have implemented design that has a result that is clearly not the intended design.

Therefore I believe your post is misleading and essentially wrong.

CCP want Eve to have a broader appeal and need to design ways for different game styles for this to work. It is also the mechanism by which they will keep most of the players that have played for years. The lifespan for Tranquility depends much on this.

Eve was different because it was a slow burning MMO. It takes years to get the most of its ever expanding inventory. Players that have played for years have grown up, married and have kids for example. A once upon a time addict can easily become a veteran Whom has time only for casual play.

CCP can and should adopt a design for FW that appeals to elements I have mentioned before in my post above. I do not think it would even be hard for them to do. There have been notions of merit posted in a number of "fix FW" threads. Some of them have valid ideas worth exploring by a design team.

There is currenrtly an opportunity lost.

there is no pvp in plexes, so you can not advertise that on any way.

Thank you for responding without insults.

Ok so you are saying no cares about 90% of occupancy. I might agree. But that wasn't always the case. Moreover, the faction war tier system is based on the belief that players should care about more than 10% of systems. The reason no one cares is because it is too difficult to defend systems from alts that just run away to a next door system and plex there.

If defending the other 90% of systems lead to great plex fights many more people would care about them, and and many more people would join faction war. This is IMO should be the goal of fw occupancy.

Intel tools combined with rollbacks would mean that alts could run but not hide and plex. That would be a huge hit to the income these alts make and would likely mean they would either decide to start fighting or they would leave occupancy alone. Either option would be good for faction war.

This notification system is terrible idea. It just has abuse written all over it.

Say you and 4 of your corp mates have your alts get into bombers and put them in small and medium plexes all over the warzone, most likely some backwater system. And then it would go a little something like this:

Alt enters plex – notification
cloak
decloak – notification
15 secs
cloak
decloak – notification
15 sec
cloak
decloak – notification
15 sec
cloak
decloak – notification
15 sec
cloak

That’s 5 notifications in just over a minute. Plus 4 other buddies that’s ~25 notifications/min. That is almost a notification once every 2 secs. Plus others doing this and actual PvPers. This is just a receipe for **** tsunami. That “intel” channel would look worse than Jita local.

I like the idea of have an infinity point within the plex, like the ESS. Have the outpost point a ship that is within 45km of the beacon, while still making the capture point 30km. This helps keep the character from jumping in and out of point/plex capturing rage at will.

Make it so the outpost itself is targeting the ship making it unable to cloak. Limit the outpost to being able only to target 1 enemy ship at a time. This is so that if there is a group fight inside the plex the whole fleet isn’t screwed if they cannot win the fight. And they have a chance to extract, except for 1 sacrificial lamb.

Once the plex is captured the outpost stops targeting the wartarget, allowing them to warp out.

Even this idea can easily be abuse. Defenders can stop fitting an point and go for an extra web or more tank. It’s a video game. Nothing is going to be perfect.

I've had awesome plex fights in plenty of systems that were not home systems. Maybe you only think big fights are awesome so you may disagree.



Thanks for your comments.

I am not sure what these 4 people would try to accomplish. Every time they cloak the timer will roll back. They would make no lp. They would gain no occupancy. I guess if the enemy militia wanted to waste their time doing this that would be their prerogative but they would lose the war.


Meanwhile militia that would have pilots holding plexes would win.

Also keep in mind that ccp was talking about giving this intel in the form of a map not really notifications. So this behavior would really accomplish nothing.

First, by easy pvp, I mean you won't have to actually do some work and hunt for targets. Hunting for targets is actually somewhat fun for some of us. Second, pirates will most likely abuse it by putting alts in FW just so they know where to go for a gank. Third, if CCP can't provide up to date stats on the map now, what makes you think they can make this happen? Hell, it might just increase server load and lead to more TIDI.

As to cloakers in plexes, I see it this way, WTs will use this little mechanic to warp into a plex with 4-5 cloakys and one tanked out pvp ship, the notification goes off, someone sees the notification and travels to that system and plex, they warp in, Falcon decloaks, Arazu decloaks, Rapier decloaks, Stratios decloaks, and the single pvper gets ganked. Players soon learn to ignore the notifications, and then the whole concept is moot.

I think the real question you should ask is: "Who is going to travel to these backwater systems and chase cloaky afk plexing alts?

I'm not. You're not. Cearain has stated previously that he won't.

Who exactly is going to this (very boring) dirty work to keep the backwater systems safe from the afk plexing hordes?