Warfare & Tactics

crap. i was endeavoring to replace cearain while he was gone. guess ill just biomass now

Do you consider your post constructive? What about XG or Hotpocket's post? Do you think those posts are constructive?

My last post before my break from the game was almost 8 months ago. Couldn't you get some sort of constructive discussion going in that time?

From the looks of the forums it looks like the same issues being rehashed. But yeah if you want to blame me that's fine. Whatever helps.

WTF? So bringing up the FW neocom and checking which systems have had their capture status increased isn't an indicator on where people are running plexes? Sounds to me like someone wants an easymode PVP. Possibly one with arenas or something. Isn't there a game for that? Doesn't it start with a "W" or something?

Exactly. Remove the current penalties for fitting a Warp Core Stabliser and replace with:

-3 Maximum number of locked targets per fitted WCS.

Thanks for the heads up. +1

It comes down to what people really think the scope of Faction Warfare should be?

There are some really huge possibilities to cover some different play styles and therefore keep a player base that would otherwise be lost.

1. Players that want to go heavy on character immersion
2. A bridge for newer players to take some increseased risk outside of high sec
3. Industrialists looking for a higher reward at higher risk, whilst being different to null sec advantages in "safe" Mega Coalitions zones.
4. Casual players looking for a self sustaining environment that rewards short bursts logged on for an hour or two every other day or so.
5. PvP junkies; who want to avoid the blob F1 fleets and instalock bubble gank camps that lose them their 25M isk clone without a chance of a fight

These areas could all be covered by tinkering with the FW mechanics.

Key to this is:
1. Addressing the balance of incentives for joining a faction over the disadvantages (some long term) so that there is a repopulation of FW. It should not be that the majority of players joining FW do so coz it is easy isk to fund their nullsec Supercap project!!!
2. Tinkering with plex mechanics, plex sizes and plex spawn rates so that you don't give (relatively) large rewards for little or no risk and do give a consistent opportunity across the FW zone systems.
3. Solving the reward system for FW PvP kills, that is not excessive but more token/ collectable (bragging rights) and is robust enough to not be exploited.

Ok on the off chance you really are confused and not just trying to confuse the issue I will explain it.

1) You open a plex by warping to it. This would not indicate anything.

2) you run or attack a plex by running down the timer. Its a philosophical issue as to what we are really doing when we orbit the button in an enemy militiary complex. I can only assume we must imagine its some sort of attack. Or show of force. But whatever you want to call it, when a timer is being run the militias should know so they can defend.

3)You keep talking about being "spammed" with notifications that won't happen. CCP could do this different ways. 1) they could simply have a map that shows which systems have people running timers. So if you don't want to fight for occupancy you don't need to check it. You can just keep running missions, gate camping, or station camping Jita whatever. 2) The other option would be to have separate chat window that tells you when people enter and leave plexes. Ideally this could be customized so it only tells you when people are doing this within X # of jumps. Again if you can't be bothered to fight for occupancy you could minimize this chat window. I think the map idea is better and I think that is what ccp was planning on doing.

If we had this combined with rollbacks it would mean is that 7 -8 pvpers could effectively shut down the farmers by each taking a cluster of systems throughout their front. They could communicate with eachother so that they could apply the right amount of force in the right cluster. This is the sort of logistical thinking that Eve with its blob wins everything lacks.

But what would eventually happen is the profitability of hide and seek plexing would be brought low enough that no one would do it anymore. What you would have is massive carnage that would likely outstrip the pvp we had right when inferno came out . The pvers might move to missions which is fine because that doesn't effect occupancy.

I agree with Master Sergeant MacRobert. FW should appeal to many different people and play styles. I think the fw missions are really pretty good pve for those who want that. The occupancy war does not need to be pve as well. Eve in general needs a small gang pvp mechanic. By tweaking the plexes we can get that.

Of course, you don't. And you especially don't want the militias knowing your alt is farming 2 systems next to them either.

Now skipping ahead this is when you say you don't have alts plexing and you are always ready and happy for pvp.

And then I ask then why is it you are so against militias knowing where you are taking their plexes then?

Of course, you don't have to look at the map that would give this information if you didn't want to. If you don't want to look at the chat window to defend your space you wouldn't need to do that either. You could minimize it.

So that is where the discussion usually devolves into personal attacks against me. You don't want to admit you like hide and seek plexing. You already admitted notifications would lead to more pvp in plexes. You even claimed the pvp would be too easy to come by right? So why not just admit it? You don't want fw occupancy to be based on pvp.

Wow, that 8 month break really helped you getting a perspective! You know best even more than ever before!

You want the map to light up when people are running plexes? take some acid, it will have the same effect. Plexes are being run everywhere, all the time.

Yes they are, actually.

You had a terrible perception of how faction war was working 8 months ago and you havent been to low sec since. Even when you were in Amarr, you were just a scrub on the periphery with no real influence or voice and demonstrated in old threads the meta from infermo onwards was a mystery to you (beyond tier 5 cashout pushes, which iirc you think are better than the current tier system lol).

You 'solution' doesnt address any problem that anyone i know in faction war perceives. Why not listen to FW peeps when they tell you that your idea is idiotic and unnecessary and listen to what they are actually saying?

Alas, we have been here before, your autistic perspective will not yield, all threads for the next couple of weeks will be overrun with your compulsive posting.

There is problems with the state of farming, all of which could be helped with the handful of simple suggestions mentioned in this thread already, and many times elsewhere.