EVE New Citizens Q&A

Best advice for players that can't PVP: Don't. Stay in station for a week and play other games. If you don't die, they get bored and leave you alone. You've lost 5 bil isk to them, which is what they want. Stop giving them what they want (killmails) and they'll stop hunting you.

Terrible advice from this fellow. I recommend ignoring everything he has to say.

There is something to the argument that you may not want to actually fight, and that is ok. Avoiding combat is usually a viable option in wardecs. There is a right and a wrong way to do that, though. Staying docked is the wrong way (unless you all legitimately have better things to be doing in the real world).

The right way to evade your war targets is to make a tactical retreat to low, null, wormholes, etc and to steer clear of trade hubs on your in-corp characters. That way you can keep playing the game and have fun exploring a different area of space while denying kills to your enemies.

The better option in many cases is to take wardecs as a welcome challenge to be faced. Get out there and fight and die. Convo your war targets and ask them nicely how they won each fight, how you can improve your fits, or whatever. You'll find that most of these so-called "bullies" are actually nice folks just playing their game, and they often actually like helping newbies, even their war targets.

Another free advice... they try to gank you and declare wardec each week? migrate into FW lowsec and get agreement with one of the local corps there.
I used to do FW for week or so and each neutral in system got a nice welcome party.

You have many choices. Best advice I can possibly give would be: Make one.

I note that your chosen play style will eventually lead you into sovereign nullsec; it's really the only place to do full-bore industry with some modicum of security and make ISK doing it. Yes, I know, some wormhole ninjamaster will disagree but it will be months or years before you have the skills and resources to think seriously about wormhole life.

Ample advice has been given on how to avoid wardecs (trivially easy especially in a small corp). Perhaps the easiest in the circumstance described: Disband the corp, form a new corp. Wardec dismissed. Rinse, repeat.

You can try to wait it out in station but this is beyond boring, as has been rightly identified.

You can fight (it's fun!) but you will lose, a lot, until you have climbed a brutally steep learning curve. Unless you become good at PVP, you will usually lose.

Perhaps you and your corpies could join an established newbie friendly corp for a while. EVE Uni is certainly one example. Learn the ropes a bit, refine your strategies and skills.

For what it's worth, I was in the same boat. Formed a corp straight away, got AWOXed in first week, got wardecced in the second. Learned. Along the way have made some genuine friends and found a place in EVE I am content with.

Of course I did go down the PVP road and now spend most of my time roaming NPC null looking for targets...

That wont work.

I hired 5 high end merc corps to take care of..... 1 guy who was extremely active in hi sec (that war decced me).

After about 10 days, 1 of them actually showed up and played hell getting one kill.

Most advice on the forums is false and will only cost you more money with 0 positive results.

The reality is, you need to drop corp, move, make a new corp or just drop corp.

Now the second one is not 100% as they may very well still focus on you for lols.

You have to understand that unlike years ago in Eve, the mindset today is to kill all miners, missioners, indy toons in hi sec and to farm tears from newer players. Mercs for the most part are just another scam.

You already know what the answer is..... and it sucks, but that is the current mindset of Eve online.

GL

I don't understand why people are so attached to corp and alliance names. For everything but corp/alliance POS use, being in a corp or alliance gets you nothing. NOTHING. There isn't anything you can't do as a group with no name (except share a POS). So why fall into this again and again? Just leave the alliance and work outside it.

edit: don't use a merc corp. many of them are just fronts for the same people wardeccing you.

I recommend moving to a hisec Caldari ice system and sitting in a retriever. I bet you're decced by within the hour by CODE.

I've been researching war dec mechanics in order to declare a war, once I figure out who to declare on. It says wars end when the aggressor doesn't pay, or when the "victim" surrenders.

Am I missing something? People complain about spending weeks in station, when all the CEO needs to do is surrender? Are all these newbie complaints about CEO pride.

Seriously, if you aren't willing to fight back, surrender and move on. No need to disband corp and all that other stuff.

Two points i would like to make in response to this:

1. Giving up 5 bil in losses in a high sec war dec is one reason that you are getting war decced again and again. Losing alot brings more griefers which brings more war decs and so on. Wars that result in zero kills tend to bore the griefers and they wont want to repeat it by war decking you again.

2. Paying ransoms in high sec wars get you more war decs as well. I mean why not. If you are going to pay them to leave you alone then why not keep war decking you with different corps til you stop?

Eve has always been a PVP game. It has always been a game of griefers griefing the weak. That is what high sec PVP is about. That is what low sec pvp is about. That is what null sec pvp is about. Truly even fights in this game are rare because everyone wants to win. And if everyone wants to win they are not really looking to have even fights. They are looking only to have fights where they have the advantage.

Certainly there are occasionally fights which turn out pretty even. I can assure you, however, that these generally occur more by accident than by design. Intel on what the opponent has ready to use is not always perfect or complete. Mistakes are made.

If you are always expecting a fair fight then you better think again. That doesnt even happen in real world combat does it?

I guess we've all failed the OP since one of the most important pieces of advice is: learn who your enemy is.

If your enemy is a 200-strong corporation that always has 200 people online flying T3s in fleets of 20, you're out of options. If your enemy is a 200-strong corporation who usually has 1-5 people with their 50 alts in the same corp for convenience, you have a chance to engage in guerrilla warfare.

How do you gather intel? One option is to use alts in rookie ships (no SP required), just set the wardeccing corp/alliance to red, and look for any of them. Record who you saw and when. Add them to watch lists, keep tabs on who logs in when and who logs out when. Where do they tend to hang out? Do they have roaming gangs, or do they specialise in station-camping people in Dodixie?

What ships do they fly? How are they usually fit? Learn to use a passive targeted and ship scanner on your corp mates, then go out and scan ships. There will be record-keeping involved, but the discussions you can have when even just theory-crafting counters to the enemy's ships and fittings can be educational.

In some cases, the activity of scouting out the enemy is as much fun as anything else you might end up doing.

The once the wardec is over, try A vs B team fights within your own corp. Join Agony PvP classes, and learn to PvP. Go out on their roams. Then the next time you get wardecced you'll be far better educated as to what your own capabilities are, and how to determine the enemy's capabilities. Greygal also has a "Redemption Roams" mailing list which I recommend you look into.

Here is Friedrick Psitalon's guide for CEOs on how to survive wardecs, which I had stashed away on my hard drive for many years.