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What if highsec was made 100% safe...
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1 - 2014-04-22 18:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
... but the rewards in this completely 100% safe area were reduced to 1% or less of current Highsec levels?

Im talking about tutorial/level 1 missions only, belts with only 1 or 2 small veldspar rocks(unless spawned in Lvl 1 mining missions) and icefields eliminated, stations with few or no slots for research/manufacturing and no POSes able to be anchored. The rewards for this part of space would be the above..plus 100% safety (how would you quantify that?)

This would make highsec/safesec akin to the WoW forest/ 1SP boars model like the majority of highseccers want.

What would the consequences be? Would highsec still be as populated as it is now? Would people choose to have some risk to receive ANY kind of reward at all? Or would people STILL not be happy because they cannot have their cake (eventhough its a lie) and eat it too? What if access to this space was only available for the 1st month or trial/sub?

Id be interested to hear both sides of this discussion.

It appears that Permadeath is preferred over unprofitable 100% safe highsec, but would the risk-adverse players accept permadeath without a safe area?

Edit: OP modified to reflect good points being made.

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Serene Repose
#2 - 2014-04-22 18:30:46 UTC
Hey. You know better than this. Repent and say 20 Mail Harrys.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2014-04-22 18:34:21 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:


Id be interested to hear both sides of this discussion.


What, all the other threads were not entertaining enough already?


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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2014-04-22 18:34:50 UTC
What if there were a Free2Play option but you could only make a character with a certain amount of SP, limited skill choice and permadeath?

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Doomheim
#5 - 2014-04-22 18:36:34 UTC
What if threads like this, over night, stopped being made, forever?
Solecist Project
#6 - 2014-04-22 18:52:32 UTC
Did you REALLY have to do this????

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2014-04-22 18:54:45 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Did you REALLY have to do this????





Would you rather I... necroed 4000 threads? Big smile

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Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-22 18:55:41 UTC
1/10 for an attempt. 3 would have been given if it wasn't unoriginal.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-04-22 18:56:52 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
What if there were a Free2Play option but you could only make a character with a certain amount of SP, limited skill choice and permadeath?

For the record, I would totally play a permadeath character in eve. Ganking would be much more fun knowing that that maller on the station actually matters.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-04-22 18:58:16 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
... but the rewards in this completely 100% safe area were reduced to 1% or less of current Highsec levels?


Effectively, game subscriptions would be cut in half within 30 days as very few people would bother playing.

Of course, there'd be a real plunge in PLEX prices a few months later with such a drop in demand... but the damage would already be done.

EvE is dying... but this plan would slam the nails in the coffin so fast most people would pod themselves as mass hysteria took over.

You couldn't scoop the corpses fast enough to stay ahead of the mess.... but hey, that would be worth a giggle anyway ;)

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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-04-22 19:06:30 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Did you REALLY have to do this????





Would you rather I... necroed 4000 threads? Big smile



Both are perfectly acceptable courses of action. Anything that elects the proper response and discussion.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-04-22 19:07:48 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
What if there were a Free2Play option but you could only make a character with a certain amount of SP, limited skill choice and permadeath?



You know what? That does not sound like a bad idea. Give people an option to play for free, but they would lose their character on death, with the option to upgrade to a full clone account. Problem is there are a lot of issues that come with, like if they allowed a payed account to revert to free to play then lost a customer due to his 5 year character permanently dying, and having some fallback or backup wouldn't fix that issue but break the subscription base.

Maybe we should just stick with trials. They work.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#13 - 2014-04-22 19:09:40 UTC
Interesting. So people would rather have permadeath than a unprofitable 100% safe highsec?!!!?!??




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Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-04-22 19:16:51 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Interesting. So people would rather have permadeath than a unprofitable 100% safe highsec?!!!?!??






I would. If there was ever an EVE 2.0, it would be an interesting place if everything was permadeath. Oh, and no high sec either. Big smile I'd play that.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-04-22 19:18:21 UTC
if high sec were completely safe with only a 1% reward of what exists now, I would leave it.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#16 - 2014-04-22 19:19:03 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Interesting. So people would rather have permadeath than a unprofitable 100% safe highsec?!!!?!??

Guess there is still hope for EVE.

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Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#17 - 2014-04-22 19:21:40 UTC
Tsk Tsk

*wags finger at Unsuccessful.

You know better than that. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#18 - 2014-04-22 19:23:31 UTC
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
Tsk Tsk

*wags finger at Unsuccessful.

You know better than that. You should be ashamed of yourself.



If theres anything you should take away from your time reading my threads, is that I have no shame.

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Solecist Project
#19 - 2014-04-22 19:23:59 UTC
Well, tbh, I'm happy others are starting to create non negative threads,
even if they lack related content. Like mine.

I guess I misjudged your intention here and alsk the possible reactions.

Although these still might change.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-04-22 19:30:21 UTC
Dinsdale would have a field day on the forums.

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