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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2014-04-22 13:34:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
There will always be a minority of deviants in every society.
By deviants do you mean people, such as yourself, that think physical violence is a justified response to actions taken within the context of a virtual world?

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-04-22 13:34:27 UTC
nah
Salvos Rhoska
#23 - 2014-04-22 13:34:39 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Minority of deviants lol thats awesome.


You lost.
Community, CSM and CCP all together ruled against you.

Deal with it.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#24 - 2014-04-22 13:35:19 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


@Scipio

Could've called that one lol

Minority of deviants lol thats awesome. Where is he from the ******* 1950s?!

Ill make that my next corp name
Great name indeed, but I do find that name ironic from that source.

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Salvos Rhoska
#25 - 2014-04-22 13:36:18 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
people such as yourself that think real life violence is justified for actions taken within the context of a virtual world?


Are you not familiar with 4chan?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#26 - 2014-04-22 13:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

You lost.
Community, CSM and CCP all together ruled against you.

Deal with it.

Against me?

Why, what did I do?

And what was their ruling, they appear to have forgotten to tell me

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#27 - 2014-04-22 13:39:17 UTC
You see, I don't like the current action of the CSM (or one member), as in the whole "I can demand CCP buckle to my agenda", but the CSM itself does some pretty good things. It would be a shame for the actions of a single corrupt and despicable individual to cause the dissolution of the CSM, so I think it would be much better if the CSM simply held themselves to a higher standard (as indeed many of them already do).

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Erotica1's activities where not good for the game.
Opinion, citation needed. It's just as plausible that Erotica 1's publicity prior to this day encouraged more players to play, as an example of the "play the villain" marketing.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The CSM supposedly agreed though made no formal statement. A vocal minority of the Community agreed. CCP made a knee-jerk decision outside of their normal rules to prevent the potential for bad press following a CSM member publicly attacking another individual in a hate campaign.
FTFY.

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Reiisha
#28 - 2014-04-22 13:42:53 UTC
Mellisa Jade wrote:
dispand


Stopped reading there.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Salvos Rhoska
#29 - 2014-04-22 13:45:16 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Opinion, citation needed.

CSM+Community+CCP opinion agrees on Erotica1's expulsion.
Citation? She got banned. Nuff said.

If you don't like it, run for CSM while I laugh.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#30 - 2014-04-22 13:51:36 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Opinion, citation needed.

CSM+Community+CCP opinion agrees on Erotica1's expulsion.
Citation? She got banned. Nuff said.

If you don't like it, run for CSM while I laugh.
People keep saying he was banned, but I have so far seen no evidence of this.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#31 - 2014-04-22 13:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mellisa Jade wrote:
Scince the CSM was re-established back in 2008* (ish?) the game has taken a decided turn for the worse.

Besides forcing CCP to quit development of a part of the game many of us were looking forward to (WiS) and guiding development away from the natural innovation of its creators. The CSM appears to continually propel the development of the game onwards towards the whim of a bunch of people who have nothing but the destruction of the game in mind (Goonswarm +co). All we really see now is continual reitteration of parts of the game that few feel to be *broken*. The last real development of the game was the introduction of wormholes over half a decade ago!

When will we see this horrible group of people dispanded and have the power of development returned to the people who know best how to develop a computer game (the devs)?




Translation: It's the CSMs fault that walking around on legs in a space ship game isn't popular and didn't go anywhere. Also Grr Goons.


The CSM isn't pulling any strings, they are representing the players wishes to CCP. It is the players who asked for CCP to focus on spaceships. It is the players who asked CCP to fix the game rather than introduce more half baked Jesus features. It is the players who ask for the actual player driven part of the game (the part you call 'destruction') to be the focus of the game instead of thempark style 'content'.

What you don't like is the EVE Online community as a whole, not the CSM. Therefore, Disband the community.


It hurts me to give Jenn a 'like' Smile but he speaks the truth.

I would willingly forgo a couple of expansions to give CCP time to fix what we already have before adding more shiny stuff to the game.

I think we would all benefit from a well thought out and well tested expansion every nine months or so, as I think the present six monthly cycle is not really sustainable if, as we do, want quality expansions to the game.

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-04-22 13:52:27 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Do you get what I mean?
It is one thing to stand up for what you believe in, it is quite another to dishonestly attack or discredit that of another CSM, or another section of the community.

Salvos I never thought I'd see the day you'd agree that Ripard's attack on E1 and scamming in general was way out of line.

Good to see.


False.

Ripard, as an independant person, brought attention to Erotica1's transgressions.
The community, the CSM and CCP responded.

Erotica1's activities where not good for the game.
The CSM agreed. The Community agreed. CCP agreed.

If you disagree with that, go ahead. That is your prerogative.
There will always be a minority of deviants in every society.
Doesnt mean anyone gives a **** what you think.


Lol so you would classify Ripard behavior as completely honest and concerned? Because MANY MANY MANY (including CSM past,present, and future) would say it was dishonestly attacking or discrediting that of another section of the community.

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Salvos Rhoska
#33 - 2014-04-22 13:53:55 UTC
Mag's wrote:
People keep saying he was banned, but I have so far seen no evidence of this.


http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/03/dont-cry-for-e-highsec.html

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-04-22 13:54:27 UTC
Kristalll wrote:

Lol so you would classify Ripard behavior as completely honest and concerned? Because MANY MANY MANY (including CSM past,present, and future) would say it was dishonestly attacking or discrediting that of another section of the community.


Ah! Another member of the "deviant minority"

Dost ye saavy Polarii?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Salvos Rhoska
#35 - 2014-04-22 13:54:45 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Lol so you would classify Ripard behavior as completely honest and concerned?


Yes, I would and do.

And the CSM, the Community and CCP agree, obviously.

Does that make you mad?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#36 - 2014-04-22 13:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
People keep saying he was banned, but I have so far seen no evidence of this.


http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/03/dont-cry-for-e-highsec.html
Cool, thanks.

Edit: Still unsure after reading that popup. It states 'Banned pending investigation' and gives no other reason. As they normally do this to accounts when investigating, I still find it unclear.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#37 - 2014-04-22 13:55:54 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

You lost.
Community, CSM and CCP all together ruled against you.
Deal with it.

Against me?
Why, what did I do?
And what was their ruling, they appear to have forgotten to tell me



Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Opinion, citation needed.

CSM+Community+CCP opinion agrees on Erotica1's expulsion.
Citation? She got banned. Nuff said.

If you don't like it, run for CSM while I laugh.



Im not Erotica, if thats what you are getting at

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-04-22 13:57:27 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


And the CSM, the Community and CCP agree, obviously.


Nope

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gwen Waokno
The Grey Eagles
#39 - 2014-04-22 13:58:29 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Mellisa Jade wrote:
dispand


Stopped reading there.


Yeah, doesn't the OP know it can be really cold in Iceland? Roll
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#40 - 2014-04-22 13:59:54 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Opinion, citation needed.

CSM+Community+CCP opinion agrees on Erotica1's expulsion.
Citation? She got banned. Nuff said.

If you don't like it, run for CSM while I laugh.
That's not what you said, neither is there any evidence that the CSM or the community (beyond a vocal minority) even agree, even CCP you have to take with a pinch of salt, since of course they will say what they think will be looked at better rather than what they truly believe.

Now you stated:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Erotica1's activities where not good for the game.
So prove it. Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game.

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