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The real reason PLEX is so expensive

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Salvos Rhoska
#201 - 2014-04-22 15:17:37 UTC
Mag's wrote:
1st Aug to 1st Dec is not a 4 month period?

Yes that is a 4 month period.

Who has delivered figures for that period?

Or what the living **** are you on about?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#202 - 2014-04-22 15:20:14 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Ive produced exactly 100% more figures and evidence to support my points than you have for your own.
Its a hallmark you have. Make a lot of counterclaims, yet you have nothing, whatsoever, to back any of it up.
When someone asks you for proof of your claims you respond "I DIDZ NOT MAEK ANEH CLAIMS HURRRR!".
Nice try.


100% of nothing is nothing.

Whenever anyone points out that you are, in fact, wrong, you make childish noises, mock people and act up.

Please hush

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#203 - 2014-04-22 15:20:47 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dont worry, its only the rest of the human race who has to provide evidence and support their points, Salvos never bothers.


Ive produced exactly 100% more figures and evidence to support my points than you have for your own.
Its a hallmark you have. Make a lot of counterclaims, yet you have nothing, whatsoever, to back any of it up.
When someone asks you for proof of your claims you respond "I DIDZ NOT MAEK ANEH CLAIMS HURRRR!".
Nice try.

Dave Stark wrote:
doesn't matter what you interpret it at. working at the assumption that the price of plex is constantly increasing, that constant is 23% per year.


Thanks. Then I interpreted and stated it correctly.
What?!?! Where?
you've claimed "17%", and you've refused to explain how you reached that figure. Dave stark has smashed out more figures than you have in a single post. You've also had 2 people provide you with 4 month periods as well as me telling you 4 places that mark the end of 4 months periods you can look at the rises with you own calculations.

As with all of these posts you've provided precisely zero evidence, just your own statements of opinion. Then you've harped on about how everyone must provide you evidence. Then when people have provided that, you've completely ignored it.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#204 - 2014-04-22 15:21:52 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
1st Aug to 1st Dec is not a 4 month period?

Yes that is a 4 month period.

Who has delivered figures for that period?

Or what the living **** are you on about?
Sigh...
Muppet Beldrulf wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?
1/Aug/2011 364m to 1/Dec 2011 435m, +19.5%
1/Aug/2012 485m to 1/Dec 2012 586m, +20.8%

Source

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#205 - 2014-04-22 15:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
1st Aug to 1st Dec is not a 4 month period?

Yes that is a 4 month period.

Who has delivered figures for that period?

Or what the living **** are you on about?

Muppet Beldrulf wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?
1/Aug/2011 364m to 1/Dec 2011 435m, +19.5%
1/Aug/2012 485m to 1/Dec 2012 586m, +20.8%


Edit. Lucas's forum foo was stronger. Evil

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#206 - 2014-04-22 15:25:33 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Edit. Lucas's forum foo was stronger. Evil
*Makes incredibly racially insensitive kung fu noises*

Not my fault, I've been replaying sleeping dogs and watching Robin Hood: Men in Tights ("Do you know praying mantis?").

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#207 - 2014-04-22 15:28:01 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Edit. Lucas's forum foo was stronger. Evil
*Makes incredibly racially insensitive kung fu noises*

Not my fault, I've been replaying sleeping dogs and watching Robin Hood: Men in Tights ("Do you know praying mantis?").
I have my wife show me that whilst... *cough*

Sleeping dogs, yea it keeps crashing on me. Works for a few hours some times, others simply crashes all the time. Odd stuff and tried everything.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#208 - 2014-04-22 15:28:11 UTC
I think you'll find those peaks also correspond with events that caused a greater demand for PLEX, causing the prices to escalate relatively quickly until market forces balanced things out again...

.... just like the situation we have now. Blink

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Dave Stark
#209 - 2014-04-22 15:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
the 4 month growth rate for plex, is erm... 70/9 = 7.8%, give or take.

just you know, for the sake of completeness.

even more completeness,
quarterly, 70/12 = 5.8333%
monthly, 70/36 = 1.9444%
Salvos Rhoska
#210 - 2014-04-22 15:31:39 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
100% of nothing is nothing.

Thanks for admitting you got nothing.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#211 - 2014-04-22 15:32:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
I think with all the reason and justification having been provided by some excellent posts, that the possibility of CCP manipulating it's own PLEX price for them to receive at least a temporary increase in revenue, is still a possibility. And might even be slightly more probable of a possibility.
Salvos Rhoska
#212 - 2014-04-22 15:33:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
[Source


Now deduct ISK inflation from that.

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Dave Stark
#213 - 2014-04-22 15:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
100% of nothing is nothing.

Thanks for admitting you got nothing.


he also pointed out, one of two situations. you have also produced nothing, or you can't do maths.
having said that, they are kind of the same thing in this context.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#214 - 2014-04-22 15:34:16 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Edit. Lucas's forum foo was stronger. Evil
*Makes incredibly racially insensitive kung fu noises*

Not my fault, I've been replaying sleeping dogs and watching Robin Hood: Men in Tights ("Do you know praying mantis?").
I have my wife show me that whilst... *cough*

Sleeping dogs, yea it keeps crashing on me. Works for a few hours some times, others simply crashes all the time. Odd stuff and tried everything.
ps3 *shrug*. I like consoles for that whole "it pretty much just works" approach. The notable exception being the DLC for fallout 3, which pretty much grinds the console to a halt every few minutes. Sleeping dogs is a pretty good game though.

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Dave Stark
#215 - 2014-04-22 15:34:39 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
[Source


Now deduct ISK inflation from that.


source that isk inflation is actually a thing?
Salvos Rhoska
#216 - 2014-04-22 15:35:01 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
source that isk inflation is actually a thing?

Source that it isn't.

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Dave Stark
#217 - 2014-04-22 15:35:33 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
source that isk inflation is actually a thing?

Source that it isn't.


you put the argument forward, the burden of proof is upon you.

however if you'd like to admit you're full of ****, we'll gladly sit here and be smug about it.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#218 - 2014-04-22 15:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
[Source
Now deduct ISK inflation from that.
Which is what right now? And you mean to tell me your 17% was after deduction? I call bullshit on that one, and am going to have to once again ask you to provide your evidence on how you reached that figure.

Edit: bear in mind that you must be expecting us to deduct at least 4% from those figures to bring it down to your 17%, meaning your raw increase is ~21%, which the data simply doesn't support.

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Salvos Rhoska
#219 - 2014-04-22 15:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
source that isk inflation is actually a thing?

Source that it isn't.


you put the argument forward, the burden of proof is upon you.

however if you'd like to admit you're full of ****, we'll gladly sit here and be smug about it.


Inflation of ISK in EVE is no different than any other economic fiscal system.
It depends primarily, and centrally, on how much currency there is in circulation.
The value of ISK in EVE is determined completely by how many players, and how actively, they are generating ISK from faucets, vs destroying it in sinks. Whatever the actual f% resulting from that, usually considered from the price of a breadbasket of various commodities, this sytem is always in effect, and there is always inflation or deflation occuring.

That is proof of its existance. Now where is your proof of the non-existance of inflation in EVE?

Lucas Kell wrote:
Edit: bear in mind that you must be expecting us to deduct at least 4% from those figures to bring it down to your 17%, meaning your raw increase is ~21%, which the data simply doesn't support.


Wth hell are you on about? Why do I even bother with you? Are you considered the slow one in your small circle of aquaintances?

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#220 - 2014-04-22 15:44:52 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I think with all the reason and justification having been provided by some excellent posts, that the possibility of CCP manipulating it's own PLEX price for them to receive at least a temporary increase in revenue, is still a possibility. And might even be slightly more probable of a possibility.

So you are proposing that CCP is hard at work using their "methods" to lower PLEX prices in ISK on the player market to encourage more people to use them, thus raising demand, thus increasing their income from cash sales of PLEX (since the ISK price they are sold for doesn't change CCP's income from PLEX sales, only volume sold).

Excellent.

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