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Dev Blog: The Impact of the Council of Stellar Management

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2014-04-24 23:35:20 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
dinsdale i must thank you for your tireless campaign to prevent highsec from voting and disrupting our cartel


You can call me a crackpot conspiracy theorist (which is more laughable every day as the dev blogs pour in) who is a joke with no credibility, or you can consider me a force that has impact on people's decision-making.

But you can't call me both, since they are mutually exclusive.

I grow tired of the trolling and asshattery I deal with fighting you lot.

You killed high sec, or will when high sec T2 invention, incursion income and mission income receive the same treatment we have seen industry get in the last few months of blogs. And those assaults are clearly already in the dev pipeline. You will drive a whole bunch of people into null sec to be your serfs.

You have won.
Now how about being graceful about it and not gloat, but shut up and let the ISK and its real life benefits wash over you.

while we're on the subject, have you considered renting some fine PBLRD space? you, too, can be a member of the nullsec cabal with payments so low we're practically giving the space away!

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jethrow Toralen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-04-25 02:42:04 UTC
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Also, by resurrecting all those recalled accounts, not only does it gerrymander the voting groups, it also artificially bumps the total active account totals. That is a big deal because if CCP gives out the total number of votes and the precise percentage of accounts that voted, we can once again nail down exactly how many subs are in the game. No way in hell CCP nor the cartels want hard evidence distributed that the direction CCP has taken has forced down the subscription rates.


I've been thinking about this, specifically about whether the Recall program is a ploy to bump up the no. of total active accounts. Not saying it isn't a plausible thing for a company to do - but a company could do a much less shifty, much more positive and empowering thing to show a larger number of active accounts - which is: to allow all accounts which are subbed and plexed at the time of voting... to actually vote.

If showing healthy numbers were the goal, why wouldn't they do that instead (or as well)? It is ludicrous that this account which is subbed for 6 months didn't get a say in the composition of the CSM, but a Recalled account which has made no direct or indirect contribution to supporting the game in the current CSM year and which may have been recalled only to vote, did get to participate. A fairly contemptuous way to treat a game's supporters, imo.

Appealing to the integrity of the voting process as a reason to exclude accounts less than 30 days old doesn't really work when recalled accounts are permitted to vote.

It's not a good look really. I'm not into assuming the worst reason where other rational reasons exist, but I'm finding it hard to be charitable in this case. Just really perplexing. My most innocuous conclusion is that 'Recalls allowed, Rookies not' is set up this way as an oversight because new players don't even register as a blip on the radar when CCP makes these sort of decisions.

(I have actually cancelled this account btw, and my original one which is approx 1 month older and did get to vote. Because no one enjoys being put into the patsy position. And that is my experience of the structural set up that contributes to the Rookie gestalt)
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-04-28 05:28:53 UTC
Jethrow Toralen wrote:

Appealing to the integrity of the voting process as a reason to exclude accounts less than 30 days old doesn't really work when recalled accounts are permitted to vote.

mostly because i can create a hundred alt accounts 10-20 days before a vote and discard them after the vote. for free

so can the rest of my alliance.

the recall program at least requires some (paid) activation time on at least one end.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Jethrow Toralen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-04-28 10:34:50 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Jethrow Toralen wrote:

Appealing to the integrity of the voting process as a reason to exclude accounts less than 30 days old doesn't really work when recalled accounts are permitted to vote.

mostly because i can create a hundred alt accounts 10-20 days before a vote and discard them after the vote. for free

so can the rest of my alliance.

the recall program at least requires some (paid) activation time on at least one end.


Trial accounts are currently excluded because the length of the trial is 14 or 21 days and because accounts need to be 30 days or older to vote. But there is no reason trial accounts should be included if all subbed or plexed accounts are permitted to vote regardless of age. (In the same way that trial accounts are excluded from training barges and industrials - simply flag them as being unable to vote)

Right now, someone could sub for a single year up to 17 days before the start of voting (ie. 12 days of voting + 17 days = 29 days) but will not be able to vote for this CSM nor the next if voting is held at the same time! Seems unsatisfactory.

But if by 'free' you mean plexed just before the vote, that isn't really free, and if someone is determined enough and isked up enough to do that now, they can, it just costs 2 plex instead of 1.

The quota for a seat is about 3500 given last yrs vote total of 49000 for 14 positions. Conceivably someone could get elected with votes only in the hundreds. That sounds buyable, take note all you EVE trillionaires, lol!