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Dev Blog: The Impact of the Council of Stellar Management

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#21 - 2014-04-19 08:12:47 UTC
Two step wrote:
Quote:
With the election of CSM9 I will be brining CCP Leeloo


Will you also be killing and cooking delicious CCP Leeloo?


ftfy

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#22 - 2014-04-19 08:26:41 UTC
So you're saying is that you little politicians are actually useful ? As something else then turning them into soylent green, that is.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#23 - 2014-04-19 09:55:10 UTC
With sensible and competent people on the CSM (which we've had), and CCP using that resource correctly, the CSM is a valuable asset to CCP, helping them bring us a better game.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#24 - 2014-04-19 10:07:19 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
I know some people were looking for a black version of the CSM logo, for sites with white backgrounds, so here you go: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65974/1/CSM_Black.png


Or if you can't decide I have made a version which is the best of both worlds Bear

http://i.imgur.com/77olDuV.gif

There's only one true CSM Logo, but CCP will never accept it ;)
http://crossingzebras.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CSM_LOGO.png

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#25 - 2014-04-20 07:42:01 UTC
Querns wrote:
Quote:

If you think the CSM has no value except as a free ride to Iceland, you are wrong. If you think the CSM are only pushing changes in favor of null-security cartels, voice your opinion and vote for someone you feel represents you to your best interest.

Is Dinsdale writing devblogs for CCP now?


Preface: In before an ISD, usually Ezwal (no coincidence that when said aloud phonetically, it says "Easy Wall", as easy to wall off comments that don't match the narrative), censors a comment by an actual CCP employee. Oh goons, do you have some kind of hierarchy of posting laws, something along the lines of Asimov's Laws of Robotics?

Saw this post before I left for the pub, but thought I would ruminate with a few beers before commenting.

So a few things, before the censors are notified and sweep in, not that anyone is reading this thread but the cartel propagandists tasked to keep the message on point.

1. This dev blog, typically considered an important document, comes out, what, on the Easter long weekend, about 36 hours ago? So far, 24 posts, the vast majority by CSM, CCP dev's, or null sec cartel shills. How long has the CSM elections been open? And just now, just a few scant days before the election , we have a post, on the long weekend, of a dev proposing all vote. BTW, just logged in. Is there some ind of link on the log on screen directing players to ANY CSM related link? Of course not.

When you have dev's implying "if you don't vote high sec, it your own fault that we cater exclusively to the, and I quote, "null security cartels", yet ZERO encouragement by CCP, until this extremely well-read blog ( I wonder if the Vogon's are your model when it comes to disseminating information?), anyone with half a brain sees what CCP is actually encouraging in the way of voting and the jusification of handing the game to the failed lawyer et all (BTW , ISD, when you come to censor that part, read his own LinkedIn biography first).

2. Gotta love the arrogance, which comes with the knowledge of total impunity, to insult a dev. (It is an insult, when a goon equates a dev to me. From a goon's perspective, that is a huge slur.)

3. Looking forward to the next dev blogs, where we see how much more of high sec is chipped away. The cartels handed themselves about a 20% advantage in refining efficiency over high sec a few weeks ago. I expect the same 20%, maybe 30%, in manufacturing efficiency, when all the the dev blogs are released and assimilated over the coming weeks.

4. goons and their lackeys are smug as hell right now over these attacks on high sec and the casual player. I am sure they were all high-fiving each other at Iceland and over Skype.

Hey, laugh it up. Enjoy what you have sown. Because the subscription rate lags the game changes by at least 6 months, since most of the new players pay by credit card. We already see the PCU getting slammed. But I am sure that is
because of the spring weather and ESO release, and nothing to do with how the cartels have completely stagnated null. Plus, the ripple effects are their base and utterly rich and bored, are now griefing everywhere out of boredom.

So 6 months from now, or 12 months from now, when the sub base is down even more, this hammering of high sec will be forgotten, and high sec will somehow be blamed for the drop in subs. But that's fine. Someday, when CCP is being sold, people line me will say, "Yes, we told you so". We of course will be muted and drowned out.

But hey CCP, good luck with the CSM. I am positive that you will get precisely the CSM that you are looking for.
And god help the enti
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#26 - 2014-04-20 08:34:14 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
The fact that you (CCP DEVS) feel the need to write a blog about how they (CSM) are not useless as they (CSM) seem says volumes about their lack of impact in the official forums

I like how whenever the CSM is mentioned in a devblog, it basically comes down to, "We gave the CSM an arbitrary task to keep them occupied. It really made no difference to our decisions."
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#27 - 2014-04-20 10:01:44 UTC
It's interesting that I think only CCP Ytterbium mentioned the 'null-centric' bias of the CSM.

I have placed my two votes for corebloodbrothers of Volition Cult as even though he is nullsec based he makes the point that there should be more democracy within CSM decision making.

I did consider voting for DNSBlack as he is good bloke but I do not agree with their current actions in DUST 514 so I didn't.

Thought for the day:

" Just because it is possible to do something doesn't mean you should necessarily do it. " Blink

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Katrinna Voight-Kampf
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-04-20 11:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrinna Voight-Kampf
The Impact of the Council of Stellar Management? A member of the CSM can start a witch-hunt and get a player banned. That's the impact they have in game.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#29 - 2014-04-20 12:35:59 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So 6 months from now, or 12 months from now, when the sub base is down even more,


Implies the sub base is down in the first place. My understanding is that Eve has experienced yearly growth - do you have figures to the contrary?

Also, your post was weapons grade tinfoil. Post before alcohol next time. :)

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-04-20 13:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

1. This dev blog, typically considered an important document, comes out, what, on the Easter long weekend, about 36 hours ago? So far, 24 posts, the vast majority by CSM, CCP dev's, or null sec cartel shills. How long has the CSM elections been open? And just now, just a few scant days before the election , we have a post, on the long weekend, of a dev proposing all vote. BTW, just logged in. Is there some ind of link on the log on screen directing players to ANY CSM related link? Of course not.

there has been a link on the bottom left of the launcher since actually before the CSM elections opened: "REPRESENT YOUR PLAYSTYLE: VOTE NOW - CSM 9"

it is the first of three 'ads' that play in that spot (click the leftmost circle to bring it back up)

so uh i guess we can add this to the "dinsdale accuses ccp employee of having insider information memorial list" of dinsdale's greatest hits

edit: also a highlighted announcement under "latest news" that reads: "9th Council of Stellar Management Elections Now Open!"

so you actually missed two different announcements

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2014-04-20 14:35:10 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So 6 months from now, or 12 months from now, when the sub base is down even more,


Implies the sub base is down in the first place. My understanding is that Eve has experienced yearly growth - do you have figures to the contrary?

Also, your post was weapons grade tinfoil. Post before alcohol next time. :)


This is Dinsdale we're talking about here, it isnt possible to have more tinfoil than he does and he'll never be happy with anything less than being told everything hes ever said is right, which runs into an unfortunate reality based issue in that it isn't.

I honestly wish people like him would **** off and keep ******* off until they ****** off all the way around the world and got back to where they started, at which point they can **** off again.

On a slightly more relevant note I've felt decently represented since around CSM 6, before that it really looked like they were still working the kinks out of the system and making sure CCP knew how to properly use what they had created. Hopefully things will carry on this way into CSM 9 and beyond.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#32 - 2014-04-20 14:57:13 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

1. This dev blog, typically considered an important document, comes out, what, on the Easter long weekend, about 36 hours ago? So far, 24 posts, the vast majority by CSM, CCP dev's, or null sec cartel shills. How long has the CSM elections been open? And just now, just a few scant days before the election , we have a post, on the long weekend, of a dev proposing all vote. BTW, just logged in. Is there some ind of link on the log on screen directing players to ANY CSM related link? Of course not.

there has been a link on the bottom left of the launcher since actually before the CSM elections opened: "REPRESENT YOUR PLAYSTYLE: VOTE NOW - CSM 9"

it is the first of three 'ads' that play in that spot (click the leftmost circle to bring it back up)

so uh i guess we can add this to the "dinsdale accuses ccp employee of having insider information memorial list" of dinsdale's greatest hits

edit: also a highlighted announcement under "latest news" that reads: "9th Council of Stellar Management Elections Now Open!"

so you actually missed two different announcements


I, like so many other sane people, don't use the launcher, but boot up from the .exe file.
Guess what, nothing about the CSM.

But thanks for playing, here are your fabulous parting gifts.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-04-20 15:11:56 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


I, like so many other sane people, don't use the launcher, but boot up from the .exe file.
Guess what, nothing about the CSM.

But thanks for playing, here are your fabulous parting gifts.

Why would you not use the launcher? The launcher lets you switch characters on an account without having to re-enter your credentials. It's very useful.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#34 - 2014-04-20 15:14:26 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So 6 months from now, or 12 months from now, when the sub base is down even more,


Implies the sub base is down in the first place. My understanding is that Eve has experienced yearly growth - do you have figures to the contrary?

Also, your post was weapons grade tinfoil. Post before alcohol next time. :)



Well, let's put it this way, last year we were given a precise number of votes cast, and what that represented as percentage of the sub base. That should give an equally precise count of subs.

If CCP does the same this year, we will have a number, won't we then?

On a slightly different tack, and one I truly know nothing about, does the Chinese sub base vote for a separate CSM for their shard, or not vote at all? Clearly, they don't vote in the CSM as we know it, since there are no Chinese bloc candidates. Are the Chinese sub numbers folded into the TQ numbers when it comes to counting subs?

While the Chinese have implemented a first past the post free election process on the village level, for higher level positions, the Communist Party "nominates" people to stand for an election with all registered Communist Party members. Which, when you think about it, is precisely what we have in Eve. The null sec cartels nominate a group, and the null sec "party members" then vote for representatives within that group, even being given precise voting lists a la goons.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2014-04-20 15:16:34 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

I, like so many other sane people, don't use the launcher, but boot up from the .exe file.
Guess what, nothing about the CSM.

But thanks for playing, here are your fabulous parting gifts.

unsuprisingly when you deliberately bypass the system CCP put in to show you things like CSM ELECTIONS TODAY VOTE NOW then you don't see those things

sounds like you've got only yourself to blame

if ccp mailed things to everybody's email saying to vote i'm sure you'd be posting I DONT USE EMAIL SHEESH WHY DIDN'T YOU SEND A TELEGRAPH

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-04-20 16:13:33 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

I, like so many other sane people, don't use the launcher, but boot up from the .exe file.
Guess what, nothing about the CSM.

But thanks for playing, here are your fabulous parting gifts.

unsuprisingly when you deliberately bypass the system CCP put in to show you things like CSM ELECTIONS TODAY VOTE NOW then you don't see those things

sounds like you've got only yourself to blame

if ccp mailed things to everybody's email saying to vote i'm sure you'd be posting I DONT USE EMAIL SHEESH WHY DIDN'T YOU SEND A TELEGRAPH



Why do you want to nerf the telegraph system?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-04-20 19:35:32 UTC
The Eve Launcher is obviously a Goon conspiracy.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-04-20 20:15:27 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Implies the sub base is down in the first place. My understanding is that Eve has experienced yearly growth - do you have figures to the contrary?

Has it ever been determined what exactly constitutes "yearly growth"?

- Does it mean Eve has increased the number of human players playing the game?

- Does it mean more alt subscriptions have been created?

- Does it mean more in-game characters have been created?

- Does it mean that some overall total from last year increases, therefore there is growth?

Perhaps CCP uses "fuzzy" math to tweak the numbers to always appear as a positive... a new name entry in the database means a positive growth!

I'm curious on their definition of "growth".
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-04-21 08:05:30 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Implies the sub base is down in the first place. My understanding is that Eve has experienced yearly growth - do you have figures to the contrary?

Has it ever been determined what exactly constitutes "yearly growth"?
(...)
I'm curious on their definition of "growth".


Like every other MMO company out there they count every active subscription, it doesn't matter if it's an alt-account.
mkint
#40 - 2014-04-21 19:37:23 UTC
Querns wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


I, like so many other sane people, don't use the launcher, but boot up from the .exe file.
Guess what, nothing about the CSM.

But thanks for playing, here are your fabulous parting gifts.

Why would you not use the launcher? The launcher lets you switch characters on an account without having to re-enter your credentials. It's very useful.

Um.... because the launcher is a piece of crap? (if it works, which most of the time it doesn't, it works poorly. Because it's a piece of crap.)

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.