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Wardecing..an easy way to get new players to stop playing

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2014-04-21 19:35:46 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
kane has recently changed hands, bear this in mind.


I have not.. decided not to.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-04-21 22:24:07 UTC
..To the legitimate new players reading this thread, if you are going to learn anything, learn this:

If you choose to be an ignorant victim, you will be the content for the PvP minded.

If you choose to be an informed participant, you are going to have a hell of a lot of fun.

♠ Sinclair Consulting ♠
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#63 - 2014-04-21 23:55:11 UTC
Syds Sinclair wrote:
..To the legitimate new players reading this thread, if you are going to learn anything, learn this:

If you choose to be an ignorant victim, you will be the content for the PvP minded.

If you choose to be an informed participant, you are going to have a hell of a lot of fun.


Clear and succinct. I like it. This is a post worthy of quoting and re-quoting.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#64 - 2014-04-22 00:14:39 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Syds Sinclair wrote:
..To the legitimate new players reading this thread, if you are going to learn anything, learn this:

If you choose to be an ignorant victim, you will be the content for the PvP minded.

If you choose to be an informed participant, you are going to have a hell of a lot of fun.


Clear and succinct. I like it. This is a post worthy of quoting and re-quoting.



This.

If you resist the wardec in cheap PVP fitted ships with everyone working together and focusing on your strengths, you will end up after 7 days with a war report that looks like this:

Newbie Corp: 42 ships lost, 106m ISK lost
Predatory Wardec Corp: 2 ships lost, 875m ISK lost

You will have fun, and that corp will not prey on you again. Who knows, maybe you will wardec them back.

The corps that predatory wardec corps look to go after week after week are the ones where players continue missioning in blinged-out pirate battleship loot pinatas. New players should never join those corps except as an opportunity to AWOX them and steal their stuff.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-04-22 02:20:09 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Syds Sinclair wrote:
..To the legitimate new players reading this thread, if you are going to learn anything, learn this:

If you choose to be an ignorant victim, you will be the content for the PvP minded.

If you choose to be an informed participant, you are going to have a hell of a lot of fun.


Clear and succinct. I like it. This is a post worthy of quoting and re-quoting.


..Ok that's it. I'm done. I've been quoted by Haedonism Bot in a favorable light, I've now won Eve.

♠ Sinclair Consulting ♠
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-04-22 07:05:25 UTC
Choo Kiko Wapi wrote:
in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?


not the games fault for you beeing in a horrible alliance/corp.

Eat or be eaten.

Go find an alliance with a pair of balls.

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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#67 - 2014-04-22 15:12:16 UTC
Sykaotic wrote:
Good to see the C and P peeps chime in and nice name Kane.... my alt name in 2008 was Cannibal Lector and I take this is your alt as your 1st kill on BC is in 2010 yet you speak of 2008?

Anyways, no I am speaking of whats going on in game compared to 2008 in game, not a blog etc. The community as a whole should really take a look at it. I am, OP is CCP is.

Take Care


You must be unfamiliar with the whole "Be the Villain" campaign. Just today, I was checking a news site on a got that ad.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#68 - 2014-04-22 15:43:07 UTC
Sykaotic wrote:
@ OP

I had a 1 man corp with about 5m sp on the toon and was "war decced" by a dual box player with 100m sp. I was hunted every day by this player so I dropped corp.

That did not work as the other guy got together 4 more 100m or so players and ganked me for lols on a gate in hi sec.

I had these people all on ignore and they contacted me via a contract.... offering to sell me my corpse.

I fought the 100 sp player with my 5m sp self... died and did nothing.

I hired mercs.... did nothing.

I quit the game for 6 months.

GL


I have a 1 man corp for months now and never got decced.

Should it happen and should I decide they're too tough for me, I just avoid High-sec for a while.

There are quite systems in NPC 0 for example.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-04-22 16:30:24 UTC
Choo Kiko Wapi wrote:
in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

What you need to do is get the aggressor CEO or director onto Teamspeak with you. Then, start raging at them about how they are griefing you and completely lose your sh!t. This is key, you must pull on the heart strings of the listeners from the pain and anguish in your voice. Sperg on for a good hour or two, while feigning a meltdown by speaking in tongues or slurred speech.

For good measure, have your girlfriend (or Mommy) hop on comms also to berate the aggressors at how mean they are, begging them to drop the dec.

(Feel free to use racial epithets to increase the validity of your arguments without fear of repercussions).

Then, post the recording on soundcloud and ask a CSM to bring it to CCP's attention. The aggressors will (evidently) get banned.

Would you like to know more?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#70 - 2014-04-22 17:49:21 UTC
Oh hey, another topic where I can post the same thing I post since 2011. This harsh environment is what made me decide to subscribe in the first place. Sure, I died left and right. But I saw the potential. I had only played 1 other MMO at the time which was Ultima Online. But something about Eve struck a chord and I kept playing, improving, sometimes listening to other people and at other times meticulously dissecting gameplay mechanics on my own. I know that if I played my cards right and didn't whine too much, I'd probably be fine. It turned out I was right.

Dealing with a dec isn't so bad once you know what to avoid, and what other options you have then grinding hisec and getting mugged while shopping. Being in an inactive corp doesn't help and the wardec mechanic, in my eyes, is more or less intended to make players leave bad corps and congregate in more active ones, so that these may prosper and bring about change. Read: conflict. Because that is the driving force behind the economy, no amount of wishfull thinking is going to change Eve into a themepark. Hopefully. Lol
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#71 - 2014-04-22 18:30:57 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
kane has recently changed hands, bear this in mind.


I have not.. decided not to.

Good to hear.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#72 - 2014-04-22 19:21:20 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Choo Kiko Wapi wrote:
in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

What you need to do is get the aggressor CEO or director onto Teamspeak with you. Then, start raging at them about how they are griefing you and completely lose your sh!t. This is key, you must pull on the heart strings of the listeners from the pain and anguish in your voice. Sperg on for a good hour or two, while feigning a meltdown by speaking in tongues or slurred speech.

For good measure, have your girlfriend (or Mommy) hop on comms also to berate the aggressors at how mean they are, begging them to drop the dec.

(Feel free to use racial epithets to increase the validity of your arguments without fear of repercussions).

Then, post the recording on soundcloud and ask a CSM to bring it to CCP's attention. The aggressors will (evidently) get banned.


GD is >> that way. Don't do the above. Recordings like the above are called PORN and they are coveted like baseball cards. And the racism might get you banned not the aggressor.


My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Silver Dagger Kondur
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-04-22 20:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Silver Dagger Kondur
You may have noticed that the OP toon no longer exists - and that's a shame, because I'm posting this due to his hide in the hole statement.

FWIW, I still consider myself quite new (because I am...) My corp was war dec'd and I wanted to fight (but never saw them.)
I have PVP'd 3 times, as the defender, lost all 3 times, but learned that I didn't have to loose me and my pod. Now I am plotting an assault on a force of highly experience pirates. I will die. So?

I enjoy everything I've done in this came, exploring, hauling, mining, manufacturing (some of you in this thread bought my stuff) trading, PVPing, missioning... and I have a low tolerance for those who want to gripe about EVE or just want to curl up and die. Sorry.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#74 - 2014-04-23 01:02:19 UTC
Silver Dagger Kondur wrote:
You may have noticed that the OP toon no longer exists - and that's a shame, because I'm posting this due to his hide in the hole statement.

FWIW, I still consider myself quite new (because I am...) My corp was war dec'd and I wanted to fight (but never saw them.)
I have PVP'd 3 times, as the defender, lost all 3 times, but learned that I didn't have to loose me and my pod. Now I am plotting an assault on a force of highly experience pirates. I will die. So?

I enjoy everything I've done in this came, exploring, hauling, mining, manufacturing (some of you in this thread bought my stuff) trading, PVPing, missioning... and I have a low tolerance for those who want to gripe about EVE or just want to curl up and die. Sorry.
More of this tbh.

Good attitude, you should do well here.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Osi Anneto
Valiant Variant
#75 - 2014-04-23 01:11:12 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Choo Kiko Wapi wrote:
in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

What you need to do is get the aggressor CEO or director onto Teamspeak with you. Then, start raging at them about how they are griefing you and completely lose your sh!t. This is key, you must pull on the heart strings of the listeners from the pain and anguish in your voice. Sperg on for a good hour or two, while feigning a meltdown by speaking in tongues or slurred speech.

For good measure, have your girlfriend (or Mommy) hop on comms also to berate the aggressors at how mean they are, begging them to drop the dec.

(Feel free to use racial epithets to increase the validity of your arguments without fear of repercussions).

Then, post the recording on soundcloud and ask a CSM to bring it to CCP's attention. The aggressors will (evidently) get banned.


GD is >> that way. Don't do the above. Recordings like the above are called **** and they are coveted like baseball cards. And the racism might get you banned not the aggressor.



Untill a CSM member blogs about it.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#76 - 2014-04-23 11:46:43 UTC
Silver Dagger Kondur wrote:
You may have noticed that the OP toon no longer exists - and that's a shame, because I'm posting this due to his hide in the hole statement.

FWIW, I still consider myself quite new (because I am...) My corp was war dec'd and I wanted to fight (but never saw them.)
I have PVP'd 3 times, as the defender, lost all 3 times, but learned that I didn't have to loose me and my pod. Now I am plotting an assault on a force of highly experience pirates. I will die. So?

I enjoy everything I've done in this came, exploring, hauling, mining, manufacturing (some of you in this thread bought my stuff) trading, PVPing, missioning... and I have a low tolerance for those who want to gripe about EVE or just want to curl up and die. Sorry.


You will be winning fights soon.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Viserys Anstian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2014-04-23 13:21:05 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
A Corp leadership that cannot protect members from predatory wardecs should not be leading anything.

Never underestimate the ability of newbies with semi-competent leadership. They can get a lot of kills of expensive ships.


Yup. In our new corp newbie war dec (was 2-3 weeks old) we lost tons of 1M Isk frigate fits. Our leadership, to encourage getting out and fighting instituted a replacement program with a limit of 1M isk per ship lost in PvP combat against our agressor. They wanted us to go learn in T1 cheap frigate builds to get experience. To sweeten the deal, they offered a reward of 50% of the total value of any ships we happened to destroy. Ten 1M isk frigates can do a lot of harm to a single 150M + isk cruiser or a 500M isk battleship for very little risk.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#78 - 2014-04-23 13:41:21 UTC
Osi Anneto wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Choo Kiko Wapi wrote:
in the roughly 2 months i've played this game. my alliance and corp has been wardeced 3 times. thats 3 weeks of staying docked up. why should i continue paying for this game i cant play?

What you need to do is get the aggressor CEO or director onto Teamspeak with you. Then, start raging at them about how they are griefing you and completely lose your sh!t. This is key, you must pull on the heart strings of the listeners from the pain and anguish in your voice. Sperg on for a good hour or two, while feigning a meltdown by speaking in tongues or slurred speech.

For good measure, have your girlfriend (or Mommy) hop on comms also to berate the aggressors at how mean they are, begging them to drop the dec.

(Feel free to use racial epithets to increase the validity of your arguments without fear of repercussions).

Then, post the recording on soundcloud and ask a CSM to bring it to CCP's attention. The aggressors will (evidently) get banned.


GD is >> that way. Don't do the above. Recordings like the above are called **** and they are coveted like baseball cards. And the racism might get you banned not the aggressor.



Untill a CSM member blogs about it.


Your suggested timeline etc does not follow that example.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-04-23 13:41:32 UTC
Viserys Anstian wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
A Corp leadership that cannot protect members from predatory wardecs should not be leading anything.

Never underestimate the ability of newbies with semi-competent leadership. They can get a lot of kills of expensive ships.


Yup. In our new corp newbie war dec (was 2-3 weeks old) we lost tons of 1M Isk frigate fits. Our leadership, to encourage getting out and fighting instituted a replacement program with a limit of 1M isk per ship lost in PvP combat against our agressor. They wanted us to go learn in T1 cheap frigate builds to get experience. To sweeten the deal, they offered a reward of 50% of the total value of any ships we happened to destroy. Ten 1M isk frigates can do a lot of harm to a single 150M + isk cruiser or a 500M isk battleship for very little risk.


And that is the type of thinking that places a corp above all the other useless mundane corps.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Keno Skir
#80 - 2014-04-23 19:44:32 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Oh hey, another topic where I can post the same thing I post since 2011. This harsh environment is what made me decide to subscribe in the first place. Sure, I died left and right. But I saw the potential. I had only played 1 other MMO at the time which was Ultima Online. But something about Eve struck a chord and I kept playing, improving, sometimes listening to other people and at other times meticulously dissecting gameplay mechanics on my own. I know that if I played my cards right and didn't whine too much, I'd probably be fine. It turned out I was right.

Dealing with a dec isn't so bad once you know what to avoid, and what other options you have then grinding hisec and getting mugged while shopping. Being in an inactive corp doesn't help and the wardec mechanic, in my eyes, is more or less intended to make players leave bad corps and congregate in more active ones, so that these may prosper and bring about change. Read: conflict. Because that is the driving force behind the economy, no amount of wishfull thinking is going to change Eve into a themepark. Hopefully. Lol


Couldn't have put it better. +1

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