Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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So, my basic idea.

I think EVE needs another step in the game to breakup the negative angle learning cliff and give new players a chance to form groups, create an identity and build up some assets in a safer (but not safe) structure than is currently available in game.

Defined.

A new class of corporation.

Benefits:

-Can not be war-decced.
-In game supported group play
-Corporate hangers, contracts, tax, in-game mail, calendar, etc.
-something else?

Disadvantages:

-Can not war-dec
-Can not anchor or put any corp assets in space
-Can not have offices outside of highsec
-Pays a flat tax on all bounties, market transactions, reprocessing to Concord (other NPC) for War-Dec protection.
-Still open to Awoxing, Scamming, Corp Theft and such.
-Other restrictions to make sure Corp Lite is at a competitive disadvantage to regular corporations.

Errata:

-Can make a one way change to a regular corp status, while keeping identity. Can never change back.

Usefulness:

Basically restated from above, I believe EVE has gotten to the point where new players and new groups of players need new tools and/or systems so that they can form up and work their way to meaningful players in different aspects in EVE.

The established players, groups, and such at this time can literally force players or groups out of game. There are multiple reports of this happening. If we want EVE to grow we need new groups and new players have a way to learn the game and in its mechanics in a safer than current way so that they can participate and experience the full breadth of EVE when they are ready to handle it.


If anyone in CCP reads this I would really appreciate a "hello i read this"

I will be out of the loop for 3 days but am hopeful for a meaningful discussion about this.

I say when a corp/alliance is at war they cannot use locator agents for their WTs. Make it a little bit harder to track people.

Most of what u want can be achieved by making a chat channel and mailing list for u and ur friends. and the idea of a shared calender group that ur friends can join sounds good, ill +1 that. that said...

If ur ready to start working with other players, ur ready to start being attacked by other players. I dnt like the idea of an 'easy mode'

The nature of this game is about player interactions, both friendly and hostile. If u leave because of how another player has interacted with u, then this is NOT the game for u. I cannot stress that enough. No one was ever 'forced' out the game, they left by their own volition because they discovered the game was DESIGNED in a way that meant other players could interact with them in a way they didnt like. No one grabbed their hand and clicked the unsubscribe button.

chat channels, mailing lists ARE in the game.

but eve has grown in subscriptions every year. what suggests to u that it is unsustainable? new players still join and stay. Players dnt only prey on new players, they also prey on older players. and not all new players are prey, some become predators very quickly.

u have an opinion that its not growing as fast as it could be. based on what?

Why not instead start players off in no corporation at all with a 25% income tax?

so since they are not in a corp they tax themselves 25%??

While this is probably close to the reasons you were attracted to the game is this all the reasons?

Your arguments seems like a simplification and seems to be overstating the impact I think this change would have.

For me personally and for others I've played with. The idea of a single shard, game where consequences follow your actions also appealed to me. However when I started. I started to play a space game, explore the universe, build up a mini-empire. interact with the in game economy. I did not want or try to play the shoot'em in the face part of PvP for over a year.

I didn't think I had the skills and I know I didn't have the means to make isk to actively support PvP loses. My original character stayed in Highsec corps for quite a while. This character even stayed in highsec for a year and a half before going out and shooting people. I don't have any impressive PvP numbers. I don't have the time really to actively play this game do to a host of RL reasons atm. I do love PvP and have never gotten the rush from playing a game like I have in EVE its almost as good as skydiving and almost as scary as being shot at.

And I want more people to have that chance. Now while I don't get to play much these days I do read a ton. I can do this in my slow times at work and through out my day. I have a fair idea of the state of null-sec, the trails of pirates, the few mechanics in FW that need tweaking, and I have read a ton of the griefing that players do to new players and highsec players for their own amusement. Most of which involves forcing their will on another player, for "fun" and profit. Usually not so much profit.

There are a lot of ways players can protect themselves from the evil characters out there. And I think most of them will have to learn the hard way. I don't think most people who try this game out come in well read about it, to their determent. However even some who come in knowing what to expect get eaten alive in the crib because they can be.

Though this leaves us with an adaptive, realitively intellegent player base, who also happen to be stubborn or just very lucky and or obscure. I don't think EVE has to go from complete protection of a starter system, to some protection for solo players in an NPC corp, to wolves being able to break up social groups just because they can.

I think in highsec the mechanic that is currently most used to ruin the game for others is war-decs. Hence my proposal in the OP. Though if you read the whole post it should be clear that I don't think protection from war-decs shouldn't come without heavy consequences.

I still think that players who are to trusting should be able to be awoxed, ganked, thieved, etc. But I think the learning curve on forming a stable group is to high for new players in EVE. Though I think CCP should do its due diligence to make the whole corp roles much easier to understand and use to prevent some of the dumbest thefts, and awoxes.

I do think its a little ironic that I am arguing about better tools and options for multiplayer corporations with a player in a one-man corp thought.

Even if CCP just takes my idea and runs with it, I don't think it is going to happen tomorrow.

I would think they would work it in to the Corp Roles and Alliance changes, that keep getting talked about. Probably this winter or next year.

I think the idea of adding steps to game with consequences but with some form of protective factors, needs to be done whether it is this idea or something else.

If all the prey get killed off the hunters will eventually leave to.

Wasn't really judging just thought it was ironic. But thanks for explaining where you come from.

Yes this is definitely about helping out the new player. Those without the ingame and RL skills they may need to learn to love this game.

Yes joining an established corp would be a smart idea, but I don't think we should force that on people. I also think we should help that group of 3-6 friends coming into eve for the first time and just learning the ropes. Why are more options bad?

Yes stubborn players like you and mean learn to love this game. I don't want EVE to be a mainstream game but I think there is a lot of room for other personalities to learn this game if there was more stepping stones in place.

To your last point I have already addressed. If the current mechanics were working well, EVE would have a growth of players and not just a growth of subscribers. Maybe CCP has hard numbers on this but I don't think they are public. I disagree with you that the current mechanics and tools are sufficient to have EVE continue to grow in the long run. I am proposing an idea to address something I see as a problem, that gets many complaints, without changing options already available, while adding a step in both the learning and difficulty curve that is EVE's early game play.

At the moment were not forcing players to join larger corps. they can join any corp they wish, but their choices have consequences.

If the idea is JUST about socialising, then its already achievable without a corp. Putting a name on ur group im fine with. a group of friends can still join the game together, start a chat channel call it 'corp chat' and play together. The can fleet, they can trade they can make their own mailing list. The only thing they dnt get is to keep their tax, corp hangars and POS's. Once u get the mechanic benefits of a corp, i feel u should get the mechanical vulnerabilities too.

Having more options is not always a good thing. Giving ppl the option to have some benefits while still being able to opt out of disadvantages is not good. its having ur cake and eating it too.

i prefer the idea someone had where after a stint in ur first NPC corp, u can join other NPC corps that are somewhat career focussed. allowing u to meet like minded players. Its essentially a chat channel full of ppl who do the same thing u do.