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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#201 - 2014-04-18 09:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Then increase the price of manufacturing in Ultra Sec systems to bring it in balance with the current economic model. All these reasons and points against no introduction of an Ultra Sec are merely representations of your not wanting this game style people seem to desire to exist, while the implementation of it could exist in a manner that has no direct negative impact on all already existing playstyles of EvE.

The introduction of 19 Ultra Sec systems would not prevent anyone from continuing to play EvE in a manner how they see fit.


A player who produces completely free from any consequence throws off the sandbox. I am sorry that you can't see that, but oh well.

And as far as negative consequence, miners everywhere else would have their income dropped by the legion of extremely relaxed, full yield Mackinaws chewing out endless mounds of Veldspar you want to provide them.

The most commonly needed mineral in EVE will drop to 1ISK, as a horde of AFK miners blot out the sun! Why use barges? Just get a Indy with 1 miner, and check on it once every few hours... It will be fine sitting there... One or two ships with aggressive drones could cover a horde of Indy's from belt rats.


I disagree that Ultra-Sec would equate to "completely free". I am sorry that you can't see how it wouldn't be, but oh well.

Also regarding Mackinaws, I suggested limiting Ultra-Sec mining to Mining Barges and below. Considering this whole topic is pure speculation and hypothesizing, it's also possible to further curtail the limitations to being Ventures only, lore justification being the cause of "pollution" and "mining regulations".

Also, Asteroids are a finite resource. If too many people are trying to mine what is a limited supply, just how asteroids are right now in EvE, limited, then soon they will run out resulting in no more acquisition of the resource. An infinite influx of materials would not be possible because of an unlimited supply, because even right now there is no unlimited supply. You'd even have to factor in the time necessary to acquire these finite resources, and the potential of remaining in the Ultra-Sec system no longer being "worth it".
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#202 - 2014-04-18 09:07:39 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


lol, our context here is about the fail ultrasec...

you can suggest as long as it is NOT a non-sense like this...

infact i want to post and suggest about the "commando" pants, why in the name that is good and glory, it doesn't have a belt?! it should have a BELT so that when you tucked in the "sterling" shirt it would look snappy and smart!


It is only an opinion that the introduction of Ultra Sec is "non-sense". It is only an opinion that ultrasec is "fail".

The difference between our posts is my statements are geared towards fostering the discussion of ultrasec as a legitimate topic worthy of discussion, while yours are geared towards promoting your opinions of what you feel EvE should and shouldn't be, and the condemnation of ideas and opinions you disagree with.


yes it is my opinion and we are discussing it, your point?

and aren't you also promoting your opinions of what you feel EvE should and shouldn't be? don't be a hypocrit dude.

Just Add Water
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#203 - 2014-04-18 09:11:03 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


what's this non-sense logic again? nobody said that nobody will NOT cope up with ultrasec, it will be actually in reverse, ALL people including me will have an alt and partake in that ultrasec. When everybody had generated ALOT of isk and nothing/less to use it for then that's the time people will be bored with eve and starts to unsub...


If that's the case, then to me it sounds as though Ultra-Sec is an aspect of EvE you would like to participate in, because you say you would go out of your way to participate in it.

If you make the choice to participate in EvE Ultra-Sec and then arrive at the conclusion where you feel EvE is no longer worth participating in even while High, Low, Null, and wormhole space exists, that's a result of your own actions. It's your fault.


hence the reason im opposing it, i don't want that to happen to me or to anybody else, get it?

Just Add Water
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#204 - 2014-04-18 09:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Which I have not done.

Also, by your own statement, "No one will miss someone too weak minded to cope with the mechanisms of the game", it could be applied that No one will miss someone too weak minded to cope with the mechanisms of the game having Ultra-Security systems.


Not you specifically. I think you just like to discuss things and that's all good, even when you are mostly on the opposite side to positions I commonly take.

On the rest, those who gank will adjust to whatever change CCP introduces. They always have.

That doesn't mean that everyone should sit by quietly and accept all suggestions without raising a protest to them.

It's quite fine to call out an idea for it's complete stupidity, while still accepting that others will continue to make suggestions designed only to suit their personal self interest.

Discussion has no downside, and it's absolutely necessary from all sides in an argument. CCP does seem to listen to the community on many issues, so staying quiet isn't the way to help them see where the balance should sit.


It's only your opinion that the idea is "complete stupidity". If you feel that way, posts should be tailored in a manner that follows all of the forums rules, including but not limited to:

2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
5. Trolling is prohibited.

While you, and or others may have opinions that oppose views stated, it is a requirement that choosing to express your opinion be done in accordance with following these forum's rules for doing so.

For clarification, I'm not stating you have broken any forum rules. Simply trying to curtail the direction some posters have embarked upon in an attempt to express their disagreeance with opinions, ideas, and suggestions presented.
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2014-04-18 09:12:45 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


I disagree that Ultra-Sec would equate to "completely free". I am sorry that you can't see how it wouldn't be, but oh well.

Also regarding Mackinaws, I suggested limiting Ultra-Sec mining to Mining Barges and below. Considering this whole topic is pure speculation and hypothesizing, it's also possible to further curtail the limitations to being Ventures only, lore justification being the cause of "pollution" and "mining regulations".

Also, Asteroids are a finite resource. If too many people are trying to mine what is a limited supply, just how asteroids are right now in EvE, limited, then soon they will run out resulting in no more acquisition of the resource. An infinite influx of materials would not be possible because of an unlimited supply, because even right now there is no unlimited supply. You'd even have to factor in the time necessary to acquire these finite resources, and the potential of remaining in the Ultra-Sec system no longer being "worth it".


And once again... Once you create this area... With it's limited resources... People who want that will cry for more. Then we'll have 39 systems. Then 99. Player count rises. Then... It all falls.

We've been over this ground before, so I shall say adieu!
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#206 - 2014-04-18 09:13:40 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:


and aren't you also promoting your opinions of what you feel EvE should and shouldn't be?



No, I'm not.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#207 - 2014-04-18 09:17:00 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
It's only your opinion that the idea is "complete stupidity".

Of course it's only my opinion. Just the same as almost everything written in the forum is opinion.

Get over it. We all know that our opinions are our opinions and not necessarily the opinions of others.

As to the rest of your post. Practice what you preach before pointing the finger. You've been one of the most toxic additions to the forum in recent months, ready to bignote yourself while degrading others at the drop of a hat.

I'd be happy to put my history of sticking generally to the forum rules up against yours if you like. I already know how that comparison would go; and that's not opinion. It's a fact.

/now back to regular programming
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#208 - 2014-04-18 09:17:56 UTC
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:


And once again... Once you create this area... With it's limited resources... People who want that will cry for more. Then we'll have 39 systems. Then 99. Player count rises. Then... It all falls.

We've been over this ground before, so I shall say adieu!


It could happen, it could not. You don't know, and because you cannot know what will happen, I hope you forgive me for not regarding your opinions as facts of the matter.

I interpret them as "reasons you choose to imagine in an attempt to discredit an idea you have chosen to oppose to fit your ideology".
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#209 - 2014-04-18 09:22:30 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:


As to the rest of your post. Practice what you preach before pointing the finger. You've been one of the most toxic additions to the forum in recent months, ready to bignote yourself while degrading others at the drop of a hat.

I'd be happy to put my history of sticking generally to the forum rules up against yours if you like. I already know how that comparison would go; and that's not opinion. It's a fact.




Which is merely an opinion. Considering I've never received any warnings or infractions regarding the forum's rules, any classification you choose to label me with is merely your opinion, and it's a personal attack, and disrespectful.

A forum post history comparison contest probably wouldn't end well when within the very post you propose the challenge, you break a rule by being disrespectful and insulting towards my person.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#210 - 2014-04-18 09:23:40 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

I interpret them as "reasons you choose to imagine in an attempt to discredit an idea you have chosen to oppose to fit your ideology".


Oh, my sides.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#211 - 2014-04-18 09:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Divine Entervention wrote:
Which is merely an opinion. Considering I've never received any warnings or infractions regarding the forum's rules, any classification you choose to label me with is merely your opinion, and it's a personal attack, and disrespectful.

Yep absolutely my opinion, shared by a number of people who have expressed similar views as well.

Warnings and infraction notices (or lack of) are not a sign that you stick to the forum rules. Your post history is very easy to go through. You should take a look back and reread some of the things you've written to and about other people. The ones not deleted should be an eye opener, even without thinking of some of your posts that have been deleted by the ISDs.

As for my post being a personal attack. Absolutely. Report it and have it deleted. Given the way you have treated people on this forum over the last 2-3 months, I'm more than happy to take responsibility for my post if a warning or ban were to result.

I'm also more than happy to express my opinion about you again, directly to you: Practice what you preach before pointing the finger because you are a toxic and disruptive element in the forum and while I value your involvement in discussions, I definitely don't value the way you have approached expressing your view since you first arrived here.
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#212 - 2014-04-18 09:29:17 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:


And once again... Once you create this area... With it's limited resources... People who want that will cry for more. Then we'll have 39 systems. Then 99. Player count rises. Then... It all falls.

We've been over this ground before, so I shall say adieu!


It could happen, it could not. You don't know, and because you cannot know what will happen, I hope you forgive me for not regarding your opinions as facts of the matter.

I interpret them as "reasons you choose to imagine in an attempt to discredit an idea you have chosen to oppose to fit your ideology".


Yes. Certainty is hard. You could be a teapot, spinning midway between the orbit of Earth and Mars. I cannot currently disprove this. Based on prior experience, however, I think it far more likely that you are a human, located somewhere on this planet.

In a similar vein, just because the last time this proposal happened to an MMO of this style, a certain result happened, does not mean it would happen again. However, it does seems likely. Not as likely perhaps, as you being a human, but likely, none the less.

The upshot of it happening again, however, is that in the exodus, someone would pickup the idea, and something greater would arise. The eternal recurrence, applied to video games. Big smile
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#213 - 2014-04-18 09:36:47 UTC
What a waste of bandwidth this whole thread is...

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#214 - 2014-04-18 09:38:29 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Yep absolutely my opinion, shared by a number of people who have expressed similar views as well.

Warnings and infraction notices (or lack of) are not a sign that you stick to the forum rules. Your post history is very easy to go through. You should take a look back and reread some of the things your written to and about other people.

As for my post being a personal attack. Absolutely. Report it and have it deleted. Given the way you have treated people on this forum over the last 2-3 months, I'm more than happy to take responsibility for my post if a warning or ban were to result.

I'm also more than happy to express my opinion about you again, directly to you: Practice what you preach before pointing the finger because you are a toxic and disruptive element in the forum and while I value your involvement in discussions, I definitely don't value the way you have approached expressing your view since you first arrived here.


Having an opinion shared by a number of people does not make it correct. IMO, strawberries are the best fruit. Some will argue oranges, bananas, whatever. More people feeling a certain way doesn't mean that it's the "correct" opinion. It's just that, an opinion. While you may feel how you do, I do not have to feel the same simply because others share the same opinion as you.

The way I've treated people has been fair and reciprocation of their treatment of me. If you feel differently, well that's your opinion.

Practice what you preach, I am. I'm not making any personal attacks, you are though.

I suggest Practice what you preach before pointing the finger because you are being a toxic and disruptive element in this very thread and while I value your involvement in this discussion, I definitely don't value the way you have approached expressing your view since you first arrived in this thread.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#215 - 2014-04-18 10:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Divine Entervention wrote:
Relevant stuff

Yeah, you're probably right. My behaviour was unusual (like I wrote earlier in the thread) and I apologise.

I'll just offer up the opinion of the EvE Client instead:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3768/13898096921_3e09dd781f_o.jpg

Not my opinion mind you. I already apologised for that. Just EvE's view.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#216 - 2014-04-18 10:18:58 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Relevant stuff

Yeah, you're probably right. I apologise.

I'll just offer up the opinion of the EvE Client instead:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3768/13898096921_3e09dd781f_o.jpg

Not my opinion mind you. I already apologised for that. Just EvE's view.


I appreciate your apology.

If you want to know where I am, send me a mail in game. I'll give you my twitch address and turn it on for you. You can come blow up my tayra.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2014-04-18 10:21:27 UTC
The only step CCP should take is sticky a thread where people who are unhappy with Eve/CCP can transfer all their 'stuff' to the rest of us who could use it. Do it CCP.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Kudos12345
Doomheim
#218 - 2014-04-18 10:43:29 UTC
I am in a Boost High Sec thread. No just no, for the sake of all the pretty butterflies flying in WoW no! Actually i dont know if they have pretty butterflies flying in WoW.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#219 - 2014-04-18 11:09:10 UTC
OP should show us on the shapeship doll where the catalysts touched her
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2014-04-18 12:12:11 UTC
Nothing constructive could ever come from this thread.

So ofcourse it has to be atleast 11 pages long!

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.