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2014 Rattlesnake changes. No thanks.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#1 - 2014-04-17 03:35:01 UTC
I'll admit I got all excited as the rest of the Rattlesnake people about the up comming changes.

Then I crunched the numbers.

First using only 2 drones sucks. It way sucks. Atleast us drone guys got the news we will be having lots of sp refunded.

The bonus changes alone gave less DPS.

The addition of a 5th launcher is the only reason it improves max possible DPS at all.

I've been hearing some overly inflated numbers going around too.

The short version is we lose a utility slot in the highs for a gain of 57 dps. (( Implant effects not included ))
There goes my heavy NOS. There goes my L4 omni tank. I already have 1241 dps. I want to keep my tank keep the lame DPS boost.

Yes drones will see lots of improvements finally. But that helps all ships. It sure won't be helping rattlesnakes like it would have. The % of drone v.s. missile damage is going to change a ton.

It's a better ship now compared to what it will be in the near future.
I'be been watching the price rises too due to speculation that it's an improvement.
I can't wait to dump all mine.

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Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#2 - 2014-04-17 03:36:41 UTC
If only there was a thread specifically for feedback on the proposed changes...
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#3 - 2014-04-17 03:37:39 UTC
The market disagrees with you.

I bought a lot of Rattlesnakes before the changes, when noone wanted the hull at all and you could get the BPC for 250m.

Now, my stockpile has almost doubled in price. Buy orders on the hull went from 360m to 570m.

So clearly, the majority of Rattlesnake owners and prospective owners consider it significantly stronger now.

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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#4 - 2014-04-17 03:38:10 UTC
0/10

No you wont get any refunded SP.

Drone damage is the same, 2 heavies or 2 sentries will do the same damage after the patch as they do now. 7.5 effective drones now, 7.5 effective drones in the future.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#5 - 2014-04-17 03:51:16 UTC
It doesn't matter what CCP does, someone has to threaten to quit. I can't wait till we get to capitals.
Canthan Rogue
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-17 04:38:25 UTC
If you do some very basic math, you will see that the new rattlesnake has the same drone dps as the old one. The main change is that it's losing the useless missile velocity bonus for a missile damage bonus and an extra hardpoint, which is going to drastically increase overall dps. This comes at the cost of having reduced drone capacity and and loss of damage bonuses for light and medium drones. I think it's a fantastic change that will bring the rattlesnake up to par with the other pirate battleships.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-04-17 06:51:58 UTC
liek if u cri everytiem

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Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-04-17 07:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Camper101
Market Situation implies that you are the only one disagreeing with the changes. Also: Why is having 2 drones that as much damage as your bonused 5 before a bad thing?

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Kadar Yassavi
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-04-17 08:36:26 UTC
We need a downvote feature in this forum.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-04-17 08:58:10 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Atleast us drone guys got the news we will be having lots of sp refunded.


No drone skills are being refunded. If you're referring to the drone skill changes, then...

Quote:
We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation. This means that all light combat drones will now be unlocked and bonused from the Light Drone Operation skill, and medium combat drones will be unlocked and bonused from the Medium Drone Operation skill. During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-04-17 09:10:11 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The bonus changes alone gave less DPS.


7.5 effective drones == 7.5 effective drones.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#12 - 2014-04-17 09:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Then I crunched the numbers.


Crunch harder. The RS has the same heavy/sentry DPS, while getting a whopping 87.5% more missile DPS for ALL types of kinetic/thermal missiles (lights included).

Thats 7,5 equivalent heavy or sentry drones, plus

7,5 light missile launchers
7,5 rocket launchers
7,5 heavy missile launchers
7,5 heavy assault missile launchers
7,5 rapid light missile launchers
7,5 rapid heavy missile launchers
7,5 cruise missile launchers
7,5 torpedo launchers

I don't think many people understand this yet. The RS can have the same missile damage application and DPS as the new Gila, while getting more missile DPS than the old Rattler.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#13 - 2014-04-17 11:47:37 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:

The short version is we lose a utility slot in the highs for a gain of 57 dps. (( Implant effects not included ))
There goes my heavy NOS. There goes my L4 omni tank. I already have 1241 dps. I want to keep my tank keep the lame DPS boost.


How were you only doing ~65 dps with your missiles and ~1180 dps with your drones?

The new changes nearly DOUBLE your missile dps (87.5% increase, 4 launchers to 7.5 effective launchers) and you keep the exact same drone dps for heavy/sentry drones.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#14 - 2014-04-17 12:31:39 UTC
OP is being clueless, that's all there is to say really.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#15 - 2014-04-17 13:42:46 UTC
There's already a pirate battleship discussion where you can vent your spleen and there's probably a Dev somewhere that is forced to read our bitching.

Posting in ships and modules is just going to get you ridiculed by the majority of people that think actually having one single platform for heavy drones is pretty boss.

For some obscene reason I want a brawling rattle so bad.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2014-04-17 14:10:31 UTC
Dude. Learn to math.

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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-04-17 14:29:44 UTC
the only thing worse on the rattle now is that u have to watch your drones more.

now for the math

rattle has 5 missiles now with bs 5 it has effective 7.5 launchers to current 4.
rattle has now 5 sentries and 50% damage which means 7.5 sentries and coming summer it will have 2 sentries * 3.75 = 7.5 effective drones.
both together would give me 280 dps more in the eft fit i used.

Now for me i personally dont like the rattle, but that has more to do with my playstyle.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#18 - 2014-04-17 16:44:59 UTC
I'm thinking a RHML + Orges + 7 mids for webs/scrams = Dead anything that gets within range.

Till the RHML have to re-load It will be the second highest dps battleship in the game. Just ballparking it I'm going to guestimate 1550-1750 dps before overloading. It also can probably get the highest EHP of any battleship. For fleets, if the Rattle can get buy on not fitting any e-war and relying on his fleet to do the tackling the snake will be a PITA to kill (so bad for pirmarying) but also be a big mistake to NOT try and kill first due it its massive DPS. Cruise + Sentries mean the ship's dps is also practically e-war proof and won't do you much good to jam/neut/damp it.

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Flaming Forum Spammer
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-04-17 17:53:41 UTC
waaah... +- 100 dps when you're talking 1000+ dps which mulches anything. I've got a Geddon setup that's usually running 3 links, mjd, omni 1, sb II and 3 damage mods, it pulps L4's and what it doesn't my Legion does.

Just be content that the rattler isn't being turned into a gunboat instead of missile floater.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2014-04-17 18:20:40 UTC
Flaming Forum Spammer wrote:
waaah... +- 100 dps when you're talking 1000+ dps which mulches anything. I've got a Geddon setup that's usually running 3 links, mjd, omni 1, sb II and 3 damage mods, it pulps L4's and what it doesn't my Legion does.

Just be content that the rattler isn't being turned into a gunboat instead of missile floater.


Noone gives a flying **** about your missions.

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