Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Also, with the vast majority of attackers using guerrilla tactics, it is hard to strike back. Deccing corps rarely have a POS or ppl who mine and mission. there are no soft targets to attack, mostly only combat ready PvP pilots with a bat phone on hand.

The answer is to give indy more ways to spend time and effort on assets that cannot be moved, with appropriate reward for the investment risked.

A POS is pretty trivial once you have the standings, and other than time lost on current jobs dont cost much to reform the Corp and put it back up.

Even if you cannot get the specialized indy toon to fight, making it feasible and logical to hire mercs to support your interests would be a better situation than the current near zero cost of just ducking the dec.

A very fine point. I myself have no assets at risk and if worst came to worst, I'm fully prepared to sell this character, grab a new one and start over. However I would like to see changes to wars that would discourage me from doing that.

Yeah this would definitely be an issue, but if the rewards were based on the value of the assets destroyed, but were less valuable than said assets, it would essentially mitigate costs. Thought he insurance payouts would have to be factored in as well to ensure that the two combined don't make war profitable.



My issue with that is why would anyone go to war? To take out pos' and assets sure, but if I'm at risk of loosing things besides ships and pods I'm going to need a damn good reason to go to war. I feel that structure would discourage wars rather than encourage them.



This is a pretty cool idea actually. A war HQ of sorts. Course, nothing would stop me from anchoring it in the middle of nowhere on the far side of the galaxy with gate camps littering the path to it. Unless there were a reason it had to be closer than that.

the decced corp can state the region it must be in? but no more - and the HQ must be erected before the war can go live?
should the defender be forced to put up their own HQ? or is that subject to too much abuse?

the cost punishment i was talking about was on teh defender side. basically, make them fight or make them lose even more isk. which is quite mean.

the structure the aggressors would need to preserve i havent finished rounding off all the loose ends, but the general principal is as follows:

in order to make out going decs, a corp must anchor at least one of these structures first. the structures cost to run, but can be activated and deactivated (remotely) when not being used (when ur not in an outgoing dec). This cost to run replaces a large portion of war dec fees. There is no limits to how many decs u can make per structure, u only need one.

I havent decided if having multiple structures per corp should be a thing. it makes the dec harder to end, but it prevents it being easy to end. The location of the structure's should be easily determinable, or revealed. They must be anchored in hi-sec.

shooting the structure is like a small POS bash. probably no mods/turrets. more than likely a reinforce timer

Destroying the structure invalidates the war just as if it had run out. the war ends 24 hours later. The aggressiing corp that loses their structure cannot dec any corp they were decced with at the time it was lost, for a period of time after the dec would have normally expires...or something.

Pro's
- the initiative is no longer with the attackers alone
- defenders can end decs quickly if they are proactive
- Mercs have an objective. something where payment can be made by defenders upon its destruction. rather than mercs being a scam thing, or lazy people.
- Decs become meaningful?

Cons/issues/stuff i havent figured out
- attackers dec with multiples corps and corp hop
- how does an alliance with multiple corps with such structures work?
- limitations on how many structures u can have and how far apart can they be?

and other things ppl will come up with

edit, i probably would not put a requirement on defenders for such a structure. the attackers have a reason for deccing them, so they have their own objectives.

exactly - which is why it must be in a region of the defender's choosing - so they can fleet up and have a go with relative ease
however it must cover all of HS or the defenders will simply move to a different region
and that's kinda what I was thinking regarding the defenders putting one down

also - there should maybe be a 48 hour from dec to live - 24 hrs to choose a region - if you don't choose a region within that time, the attackers can choose it....
then 24 hrs for the attackers to online their war HQ, and if they don't - the war doesn't go live until 24 hrs after they do?

I suppose it should also have an HP that scales with the size of the defending corp....

What if it has to be anchored in the same region as the targets HQ corp office?

The timers idea isn't bad either, means if you are going against a dead corp (taking out an offline tower for instance) You're not totally hooped.

Part of the problem is that there are no carrots for fighting, you are correct.

But an equally large part of the problem is that there is no stick for not fighting. Highsec corps tend to not have assets in space to the degree that nullsec or wormhole corps do, and for more than a few of them they can just dissolve and reform, rinse and repeat. Incursion runners especially use this exploit.

There have to be penalties for getting around the wardecs. The recent dev blog, that will highly incentivize (damn near mandate, honestly) the use of POS in highsec is a good start. This way they will have assets they have to defend.

A second measure would be generating killrights against people who drop corp during a war. That way they have an incentive to not use the dissolve/reform exploit, because they will be killed anyway.

Such a thing would have to come, also, with a rebalancing of the pricing structure, which happens to be really rather prohibitive to small (or new, which is the worst part) wardec corps.

Personally I'm more interested in the carrot aspect right now. I think the stick for indy's will come from their anchored assets, which as you mentioned, a huge number of indy corps will soon have.

It doesn't do anything to Incursion runners or missioners though, as they have no reason to want a POS or poco's, so that is an issue.

Killrights isn't a bad idea, but it would have to be only available to the corp that was at war with you, otherwise dropping corp during a war would be idiotic. I've heard mention before as well about having the war stick with the individual for the remainder of the week or for 24 hours after they drop corp. I don't really like either of those solutions as they will mostly just make people not log on till it expires, which isn't fun for anyone.

What I'm really trying to go for here would be something that even a smaller and newer corp would say "Oh sweet we got wardec'd! Let's go guys! Everyone hop in your cruisers!" Not sure how feasible that is without being game breaking though.