Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You think people will risk X in value for the potential of gaining Y where Y is smaller than X? Do you see them risking the same X to continue their daily activity earning them Z right now? Why would they do it for Y if they don't for Z?

Have to agree in regard to the war system. There just is really no reason for defenders to fight. When war was cheap, keeping a war active for long periods of time against small no name corps gave sometimes sufficient reason for corps to attempt getting the monkey off your back. With war cost now keeping a war going for 3-6months is way to expsensive for low member corps fighting other low member corps. I use to think there should be some incentive some other mechanics in place other than open shooting rights in space.

Perhaps fighting over corporate wallets, or fighting over shares, or the winning corporation getting a small percentage of the taxes implied on the losing corps members. There may have to be other things put in place with wars to accurate validate a "victor". War should be about conquest, not griefing. Being able to hide in stations shouldnt be a means to avoiding the consequences of war, just what those consequences should be... Well..... I gave my opinions.

I don't disagree with anything you said, but I'm more interested in focusing on ways to get the defender to undock at all, I'm not even concerned about validating a victory. What worries me about a couple of the suggestions you made is that they would very quickly turn into a method for the powerful to crush and destroy the weak, rather than a method to encourage the weak to fight back, however hopelessly.

I KNOW why carebears refuse to fight me, it is because they have no incentive to fight. I assure you, I am nothing but cordial with my war targets, offering friendly banter in local, GF's after a fight, and even friendly mails afterwards.

There are no people that I find 'sub-human' as you insinuate and although I do find bot-aspirants to be abhorrent I am convinced they can be saved from their greed and brought into the 'real' universe of Eve.

I have often been faced with vulgarities and hostility in local from the targets of my wardecs, and find their behaviour appalling. However what is worse is when those same vulgar braggarts themselves refuse to back up their smack talk and refuse to engage in combat.

I do not disrespect those who chose PVE activities as their means of income, to each his own, but I do not hold in high regard those who refuse to defend themselves.

-new player who doesnt really know the game starts his own corp and invites other new and oblivious players. It has no assets in space

-An aggressive corp decs the new corp but really just wants to target the players for easy kills

-The new corp stays docked or breaks down. the aggressive corp gets no kills and has a boring week

-in the end, no one wins. Why? because they are both doing it wrong.

If u are a newish player and u and arent an experienced and knowledgeable eve player, and i mean very experienced and knowledgeable in multiple aspects of eve, including combat, then perhaps u shouldnt be starting ur own corp and leading other players. When u start ur corp, ask urself, if my corp gets war decced, will i tell my entire corp to dock up or log off for a week? because if the answer is 'Yes' then dnt start the corp. particularly if u feel u or ur members would be having a bad game experience while ur absent during those 7 days.

Instead of starting a new corp, why dont u join a larger, more organised and experienced corp that can teach u about the game. Eve uni, brave newbies, test and the likes. No one is going anywhere when the blind lead the blind.

TL:DR - if u dnt like sitting in station for 7 days, dnt be part of a corp that does it everytime its decced.

Likewise, if ur an aggressive corp, perhaps also a little new, looking to flex ur PvP muscles, dont war dec anyone just for the sake of getting kills. that is not the best use of a war dec. Wardecs are against corps, not characters, so when they leave the corp, thats tough **** (though ill say right here, dropping to NPC corp is ok. Swapping to another player corp to avoid a dec is not so ok). What u should use a war dec for is to attack a players assets or their playstyle.

Want to destroy their POS or POCO? use a war dec. Want to keep them docked up for a week to break corp moral or stop them mining and missioning? use a war dec.

want to get some kills on ur killboard and practice PvP? i highly recommend Duels; FW sites or roaming low sec, WH's and Null for ppl doing exploration

TL:DR - use the right tool for the job.

the reason I wouldn't fight a HS war is neutral reppers - fix that without me gaining the aggro of a 20 man fleet every time I go for the logi and I'd definitely consider fighting, even solo (though maybe not in expensive ships then)

I would have no problem with neutrals no longer being able to rep. Especially if it would mean more people being willing to fight. Until that changes though, can I recommend that you make use of it yourself? ;)

The discussion falls back on the structure of Empire Corps.

There is a reason for corps being Empire based: The time investment scheme.

Living in 0.0 requires a relatively high amount of time invested in EVE, due to CTA's, roam defenses and so on.
Living in low-sec requires at least some grouping and utilization of scouts, and what not.
Living in Empire allows for a wide array of things to do, without being reliant on someone else or your own time invested.

Those who have time to invest, frequently leave Empire and join adventures in WH, Low and Null.
This leaves most corporations in Empire with 1-2 alts of the person whom is elsewhere, and those that are mains simply don't have the time to sit around waiting for targets to come along.

The 2-3 or maybe 4-5 times a week they login, its for mails, chats, market orders and maybe a bit of production.
They have no reason to undock, with or without a wardec.

So in what way are you going to convince a 10 year old production char, with +5 implants and a clone cost that would make most newbie scream in horror, come out to fight for a cause that will have no effect on this players ability to keep doing what he/she is doing?

The ultimate reply to neutral reppers, is the neutral haulers. So goods can be moved, and with the right skills, goods can be sold anywhere within the same region.

Regarding the side not that people should join bigger corporations, is that bigger corporations has a bigger footprint (seen in local/chats/forums) and therefor gets war decs much more frequently.

It's funny how you seem to think people will change their playstyle just because they revived a notification mail from CONCORD.

It's simple to know exactly what will happen if you put any kind of reward to "defending yourself" in a war dec. Either it will be worthwhile and farmed or worthless and ignored.

as most ppl who dnt like PvP are more driven by isks, mad isks for PvP'ing will probably make them undock. but they'd have to make more returns doing PvP with as little risk as they do there other activities.

The threat of neutral RR is exactly why 77ppl dnt attack u three. because even if they could get those 77ppl together in frigs, it could be tanked by a single legion with multiple RR support and command links. They have no way of knowing whether u have it or not.

The PvP has no goals to it. The dec lasts a week, pretty much no matter what. there is no achievement in the defenders fighting back and for a lot of ppl (including myself) goals are the incentive to PvP. i rarely PvP for 'good times' even though i enjoy it. I PvP when theres an agenda.

the first issue is un workable, the second is as good as its going to get and everyone has their ideas on how to fix the last issue.