Missions & Complexes

Yeah it works, can't use a T2 but you don't absolutely need a meta 14 either.

The basic statement is, you are wasting a lot of time in warp. Anyway best case is 20min, worst case still 10min. Quoting myself





You are right, changed the OP accordingly. I simply assumed a full set would be better as it should but CCP :)



@IIshira
A simple Gist C-type Shield Booster + Pithum C-type Invul works for 95% of all Missions, if you want to be on the save side use a cap booster. All V stats Omni Tank = 372 DPS and 5min cap with MWD off. You tank is the Machariel's kill speed.

Except in some missions against Sansha/Blood, like The Blockade or Mining Misappropriation. Especially in The Blockade you do not want to use an AC ship vs Sansha/Blood because of TD and neuts, use an Arti Macha instead or switch to Paladin.

Instead of taking 1,154.875 seconds for the capacitor to fully recharge from zero, it will take 1,154.0 seconds for the capacitor to fully recharge from zero.

Interesting.

My initial thoughts:
* what distances are we talking about? +30km out to where arty outperform ACs on a similar load out? Prolly 40k or so?
* moving 25km seems like it would pay off in many circumstances to wreck other NPCs in the same group, as would having prop to get to a gate, or if you start near the gate: dropping sentry drones then moving. Which missions did you have in mind?
* haven't checked the numbers, but assuming prop would replace a TC, would the 25km number be lessened if the CCC was replaced with an ambit I?

edit:
I did have a thought of a mission that might work out here. Angel Pirate Invasion + getting full room aggro as soon as ya can.
Also, looking over some numbers. A similar vargur fit using RF ammo instead of t1:
800s
tc x3
4gyro
1 drone dmg amp
burst II
bouncer IIs

mach can still out dps the vargur by around 4.3%. Looks like there may be some niche uses for a mach setup like this.

Interesting idea. However, at first glance it would seem to me and for "stationary" platform with sentries perhaps a Navy Typhoon might be a bit better option?

With cruise missile setup a navy phoon with a setup:

6x Cruise II 1x small pulse laser (drone trigger) 1x drone range
1x fed navy omny directional, some tank and/or mwd
4x CN BCU 3x Drone damage amp II
2x Rigor 1x Hyd bay thruster (or warp speed perhaps?)
5x Bouncer II

I see on paper approx 1400 dps (5% hardwires) with Fury. Would want a painter or two as well prolly. Range is approx 80 km or so. I have not looked into the AC setup for navy phoon but I have an impression it might have some application issues. It does not have Mach's falloff bonus. Fury setup has its issues as well ofc - volley counting and missiles. And navy phoon does not have the cruiser class warp speed.

I believe it was mentioned in the "AFK missioning" thread which should be still somewhere in the first pages of this forum section, but there is more axis to move on in regards mission running than just isk/h.

While marauders will come a little bit behind "rebalanced" pirate BS's when actively flown they come out a bit higher if you add another axsis to travel on which is isk/effort.

A "professional" missionrunners will have the best tools in their toolbox anyway. A T3 cruiser for a mission where it's the best, Pirate BS and/or the Marauder for others, etc. There is no reason why you would exactly need to use only one ship for your missions. They are pretty much static afterall (as traveling is lost isk/h) in max few jumps region of space.

In real EVE the situation is even more complex than just considering one ship against another. There is PLEX out there and you can consider, for example, that what would a second pilot do for your numbers which you are trying to optimize. Would it make economic sense to run one? Will you run a single Marachiel with blingbling tank or would it be "worth it" to drag a Scimi alt with you dropping the local tank alltogehter (it's awesome with number of logi bonused faction tracking links) or perhaps a fof missile Tengu or Nighthawk instead killing off nearby frigates on their own while you instapop stuff at range. What about third account - is it still worth it for one (a function of your playtime per month and what you are after), etc. Too much bling bling increases the risk of losing your ship to a suicide gank - running a logi alt in turn lowers that risk. Offgrid booster can mean the gank failing when it should have succeeded, without the gankers knowing WTF went wrong, etc.

I can say from experience that you more or less hit a flat plateu in missionrunning speed once you are putting out approx 2000 - 3000 dps (or above). Around 2000 dps the locking speed of battleship starts to be something you feel (Auto Target and Signal Amp can increase the number of locked targets, but in waves you need to lock the first ships still in 'real time'). Warp speed is even more relevant the less time you are actually spending in mission deadspace. With increased number of accounts to consider there also dimising retruns related to how many can you control at a time. ISBoxer can make perfectly synchornized turret platforms viable but if they get out of sync you can be in a lot of trouble (and if you lose you lose number of times more than a single ship guy if you fly same setups) if you do not have a backup plan. Individually controlling each of your ships (what I do myself) gives you a lot more control but you hit the wall pretty fast what can you effectively control. Depending on number of factors like RoF, damage application, and clicky-clicky needed to run em.