Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was wondering when we see this thread on forums =)

As a pilot being flying almost singlehandedly ceppies the last few weeks, I know for a fact, there are good counters to them. The fact, that you have not figured them out does not mean there are none.

Ceppieroams are fun as hell. If you fit your ceppie to be almost invulnerable, they wont do any significant dmg no more. I've killed round 100 ratting ishtars / nvexors the last weeks and they all would survive the experience, if they had no EM hole in their tanks. 0 EM resistance is the reason a 60dps ship can solo a ishtar. And the fact, that 90% of the ishtars dont even have light or ecm drones with them.

You sir need to think out the counters. It's not cool to rest of eve, that if CFC is bad at something, the nerf this and that starts.

Actually, I'd like to see the bubble immunity expanded to assault frigates and electronic attack frigates as well.

They could act as spearhead forces in warfare, constantly putting on pressure that the defender has to deal with.

And let's be honest, if you have 2k members, it shouldn't be too difficult to maintain multiple defense / patrol fleets able to deal with exactly those.

If you give out free frigates to rookies, you'll have the bodies, and their experience will grow. Just build one less titan, and you practically have unlimited supply of t1 frigates.

Involve the new players and give them the ships for free, everyone wants them to try their hand at pvp in nullsec, or am I wrong here?

There is a song by Bruce Dickinson named: Tears of the Dragon. Can we have this post renamed to Tears of the Goon, please?

Couldn't agree more it will help new players and new entities to be effective in fleet fights and small scale pvp.

People seem to be talking different kinds of interceptor gangs here. The OP was probably referring to 2.0 second aligning interceptors, generally Maledictions based on KB stats at least. These ships align so fast that they can't be tackled on a gate. It doesn't matter if you have 194190234910^21312313 trillion scan res, it is simply impossible to target and get a point on one thanks to how the game works. 1 second to start targeting, 1 second to target (even with your 194190234910^21312313 trillion scan res), 1 second to activate point but the interceptor is gone by that time already.

These fleets of course won't engage anything they can't kill so AF, ceptor, gate camps or pretty much everything else is not a counter because they can easily avoid them.

Smartbombing is not a viable tactic for various very obvious reasons. First of all a single battleship with 8 smartbombs doesn't even kill a Malediction. You of course can't hotdrop on a gate RnK style because interceptors warp so fast that they will have landed by the time you load the system so you can be easily scouted by dscanning. These fleets also probably never even fleet warp anywhere. They check random anomalies and then warp to the next gate individually. This means they will always come from different angles and at different times. Bottom line is that smartbombing interceptor gangs with any success is extremely hard. And if you ever do it successfully, all they have to do is to buy a bookmark pack for the region and start using perches.

The only way to kill them is by baiting them but after you kill one they will all remember your name and never engage again so that tactic won't work long.

All in all uncatchable ships are bullshit and this is not the first time I'm expressing that opinion. Being able to burn a cyno at max travel speed, ignoring bubbles, ignoring gate camps, in a ship that costs 30 million is not very balanced either.


But luckily the solutions are simple. Either restrict all ships from achieving 2.0s align time to allow them to be tackled with good enough scan resolution or introduce something that counters bubble nullification. It could be a special DIC/HIC bubble or a mobile structure that CCP seems to love so much nowadays. I don't think it should be a permanent anchoreable though so that you can't just anchor that and a million bubbles on gate. That kind of passive defense of your space is not fun but active defending (gate camping etc) should be able to deal with any threat that can't kill the gate camp and this is currently not the case.


Make running a gate camp the art that it used to be. Taking a covops through a 200 man gate camp to light a cyno for a friendly fleet was one of my most memorable moments in all my years playing this game. Now I just write !pingall to wake up everyone in my dedicated interceptor cyno jabber channel and get five guys essentially auto piloting without danger to where ever I want. Quite boring in comparison.


I'm not at all against interceptors being very effective at killing ratters. In fact that's nice to see. But they should not be able to waltz through a proper remote sensor boosted gate camp with a million bubbles like it's not there. Any form of active defense from the people living in the region should be able to counter roaming gangs and the roamers should need to fight those active defenders and not just ignore them.


Remember that the interceptors would always be able to just reapproach and jump to safety. In fact I don't think more interceptors would even die because of these changes but it would make defending your space possible.

So in your opinion 100% risk free ratting thanks to bubbles (rofl) was not "good and balaned gameplay" but the total flip side of that as in being able to ignore all bubbles, gate camps and whatever is? Weird opinion you have there buddy.


A single 2.0s align time interceptor has no problems of killing stuff like Ishtar/VNI ratters which are popular enough that probably 30-40 die every day in Deklein. In fact Deklein has a lot of insta locking gate camps so you can't even fly a non 2.0s interceptor there right now so pretty much everyone are flying them. A TriDOT member on this very page says he has flown nothing else except these kinds of fleets for weeks and then you come here to argue that no one flies them?

I want to be able to defend my space against a threat. Is that too much to ask? I know your alliance can't hold space or moons so maybe you don't know much about that.

I have no problems seeing an actual fight. I don't know which one you are talking about but if carriers died then your must have escalated which is exactly how it should go. However one fight out of a few hundred Ishtar/VNI kills is not a very good ratio wouldn't you agree?

Providence has the highest amount of roamers roaming in their space. If they can deal with all the ceptors and roaming guys, why can't you guys? Or is little ol provi just better than you?
Tl;Dr cry some more nobody cares
Deal with it

A lot of what you wrote above sounds nice and all, and I may even generally agree with a lot of it but this last bit is such an easy thing to say by someone in the biggest independent entity in game. "Just fight us. C'mon, we only outnumber you by 247:1 against, that's like almost fair".

One of the reasons (AFAIK) for the whole inty gang concept was to make your fleet size as irrelevant as possible. For once, CFC is not able to win through sheer number of pilots present. That, IMO, is much more balanced than what you suggest above.

You should not be any more safe than any other pilot in the Eve universe and, currently, you are not.



In this case, it's the "or something". Snakes make you die because the faster your ship flies, the longer it takes to reach warp speed. Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-70x is the implant you want because faster aligning = less dying.

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PS. Bookmark packs? For realz? Madness! Who would ever sell those. I mean, c'mon, you can only copy 5 bookmarks at a time. Takes ages to copy and contract a bunch of them.

PPS. I'll have to agree with the "fight in the anomalies" stuff above. I've been on at least 3 inty roams where CFC had an instalock camp at a gate, we avoided it and killed an Ishtar or two in the anomalies in the same system while your instalock camp just instalock camped the gate. Maybe if they'd actually warped to the anomalies to help the ratters out the Ishtars might not have died. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but at least it's a possibility those Ishtars never had because it was more important for the guys helping out their fellows to instalock camp the gate. You know, defending their space.

First of all I have made my opinions on 2.0s interceptors very clear from day one. While that was in more regarding using them as cyno platforms that still stands. Uncatchable ships are not fun to me and I think they take a lot away from this game.


Eve in nullsec is based on communities. In communities we help each other. Corporations in your alliance may hate each other and do stuff behind each others' back but I want to help the fellow goon. Unfortunately, as it has often been advertised over the years, the fellow goon happens to be rather slow and not very good at playing this game. So I want to assist him to gather ISK for his battleship so that he can continue making money by losing that battleship and getting 200% reimbursement every time. And as it happens the best way of dealing with roaming gangs is to kill them. The worst way of dealing with roaming gangs is to ignore them.

You realise it just as well as anyone else that there are pointing rats in pretty much every anomaly nowadays. Do you really suggest that the only workable tactic against roaming fleets should be getting safe whenever one gets within 3 jumps from you. What about if they log out somewhere and come back unscouted after some time?

You are suggesting that the only working tactic against roamers should be ignoring them. I shouldn't have to tell you just how stupid that whole notion is.

Ratters died just as much before these changes were introduced as they do now. People like wheniaminspace and that lazerspewpew guy from BL were extremely successful at killing ratters solo. I'm sorry you didn't manage to do the same as them then.