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paladin or vargur mission boat amarr space?

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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#21 - 2014-04-16 20:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Last Wolf
Lose the nano pump and do a tech 2 laser ROF rig. It will net you another 50-80 dps. That thing is seriously over tanked. If you are doing 1000-1300 dps, a 300-500 dps tank is overkill.

I'd even drop the DC for a tracking enhancer and drop the CR II for a sensor booster with scan-res script so you can lock those scrambling frigs up and insta pop them before they get under your guns. I don't remember the last time I actually launched my drones when using my paladin.

Its your billion isk though, so if you want to over tank for a few missions until you're more comfortable that it won't go boom then that is fine. There are a few missions where It melts rats so fast that I still have shield left when the last rat goes pop.


Also take conflag for use against BS and BC under 40km. It has significantly more damage than INMF, especially vs targets that are weaker to Thermal than they are to EM damage. The tracking penalty on conflag means INMF is better vs cruisers, dessies, and the odd frig that you can still track.

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....

Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#22 - 2014-04-16 21:32:49 UTC
Too much pimp and you become a target for gankers, just bear that in mind when you fly with so many shiny modules.
MissBehaving
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2014-04-16 23:01:09 UTC
[Paladin, New Setup 1]
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Armor Repairer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Bastion Module I
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Salvager II

Large Energy Collision Accelerator II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Tracking speed scripts in both computers with Gleam, INMF, INGamma and INXray should cover all ranges 0-120kish
Booster is for security as I tend to forget to cycle the repper off. Probly run the Gunnery rig for ROF rather then the one fitted.

Point being you do NOT need alot of bling crap on your Palidan. I think this fit is around 1.2b

Mind your cap, Pulse the rep and drop the frigs 25k+ anything under and you may need to use drones.



MissBehaving
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#24 - 2014-04-17 05:28:28 UTC
MissBehaving wrote:
[Paladin, New Setup 1]
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Armor Repairer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Bastion Module I
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Salvager II

Large Energy Collision Accelerator II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Tracking speed scripts in both computers with Gleam, INMF, INGamma and INXray should cover all ranges 0-120kish
Booster is for security as I tend to forget to cycle the repper off. Probly run the Gunnery rig for ROF rather then the one fitted.

Point being you do NOT need alot of bling crap on your Palidan. I think this fit is around 1.2b

Mind your cap, Pulse the rep and drop the frigs 25k+ anything under and you may need to use drones.



MissBehaving

I fail to see when you'd ever need to make use of that cap booster to be honest. Also beam range is just overkill these days when Bastion gets you almost 100km range with pretty good dps.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#25 - 2014-04-17 17:50:25 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
I fail to see when you'd ever need to make use of that cap booster to be honest. Also beam range is just overkill these days when Bastion gets you almost 100km range with pretty good dps.


While I am most certainly not going to defend that fit, there's valid reason for those Tach with such optimals. Longer range crystals don't only do less dps but they also are skewing more into EM only which results it terrible applied dps loss against non-em targets, and Scorch is almost exclusively EM.

Put simply; when for instance shooting Guristas at 50km you could do it with pulse+scorch but you'll be MUCH better off using beams due to crystal choices.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-04-17 19:15:21 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Kosetzu wrote:
I fail to see when you'd ever need to make use of that cap booster to be honest. Also beam range is just overkill these days when Bastion gets you almost 100km range with pretty good dps.


While I am most certainly not going to defend that fit, there's valid reason for those Tach with such optimals. Longer range crystals don't only do less dps but they also are skewing more into EM only which results it terrible applied dps loss against non-em targets, and Scorch is almost exclusively EM.

Put simply; when for instance shooting Guristas at 50km you could do it with pulse+scorch but you'll be MUCH better off using beams due to crystal choices.

the last time i tried to kill guristas with lasers, a vein in my eye burst

I should buy an Ishtar.

Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
#27 - 2014-04-17 19:27:34 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Kosetzu wrote:
I fail to see when you'd ever need to make use of that cap booster to be honest. Also beam range is just overkill these days when Bastion gets you almost 100km range with pretty good dps.


While I am most certainly not going to defend that fit, there's valid reason for those Tach with such optimals. Longer range crystals don't only do less dps but they also are skewing more into EM only which results it terrible applied dps loss against non-em targets, and Scorch is almost exclusively EM.

Put simply; when for instance shooting Guristas at 50km you could do it with pulse+scorch but you'll be MUCH better off using beams due to crystal choices.

the last time i tried to kill guristas with lasers, a vein in my eye burst


It's not impossible using Conflagration Crystals, but even then only half your damage will be something they have moderately low resists too, with huge resists on the EM side. Not efficient, but it'll work.Lol

Using anything else will hit you too hard on the Thermal side of the crystal, as EM is the majority damage on every single crystal bar Conflag.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#28 - 2014-04-17 19:41:49 UTC
Sooo, you dislike the damage selection against Guristas, yet you use lasers? Wouldn't it be better to use a different weapon type if that's an issue for you?
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-04-17 19:53:15 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
Sooo, you dislike the damage selection against Guristas, yet you use lasers? Wouldn't it be better to use a different weapon type if that's an issue for you?

This^

Don't use lasers for fighting targets that have high EM resists.

I use a tach Paladin and I'm happy with it. The DPS is higher than Scorch. Now if you're up close with Conflagration pulses do more DPS
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#30 - 2014-04-18 05:27:38 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
Sooo, you dislike the damage selection against Guristas, yet you use lasers? Wouldn't it be better to use a different weapon type if that's an issue for you?


Ideally, sure. But if one only had the Amarr option for whatever reason (one might be "amarr4life") then Tachs make it work just fine. If fitted the right way Laser boats put out a ton of dps and can, to an extend, make up for the damage type issues assuming you don't use low therm crystals.

They won't of course out perform high dps specialised damage type ships but they will outperform the average mission runner, so as long as non-EM missions aren't the norm but rather the exception it's very much doable.
Stein Backstabber
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-04-18 12:28:00 UTC
Prisoner No14 wrote:
Thanks everyone I went with this can't afford to bling it right now but this works best for me

::Sea of green and blue mods::



Wait, when did THAT fit not count as blinged any more? Shocked
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