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N3 Video of Exploit to Gank CFC Titan

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#161 - 2014-04-15 00:31:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.


Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE.

And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.


Generally this is the only way they will respond. Just look at that godawful E1 ragenought as an example.



Good luck storming the castle!

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#162 - 2014-04-15 00:33:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.

Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense.

Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it?


If thats the case then we have a green light to bump titans out of POS.

That's not what I said but OK. You have my approval to bump titans, for whatever **** that's worth lol. Twisted
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#163 - 2014-04-15 00:33:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.


Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE.

And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.


Generally this is the only way they will respond. Just look at that godawful E1 ragenought as an example.


They reply to petitions but reimbursement requests go in the "we'll get to this next month" pile. Are you getting antsy because you haven't had a reply in x weeks? Because they will ALWAYS reply with SOMETHING eventually.

Also - Does anyone have a link to where CCP actually state that this is an exploit. Not that "bypassing pos shields" article either since its so horrendously vague, but where they SPECIFICALLY STATE that a Titan sticking out of a pos shield whilst technically "inside" it is not to be bumped? Because technically if part of the titan is outside the shields and you bump it you haven't "bypassed" this shields, in my view anyway.
Avon
#164 - 2014-04-15 00:33:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

We can, with 100% accuracy see where the ships collided based on their movement.



No, we can't

I can see where they cyno'd in. Doesn't look all that close to the tower, somewhere between 45 & 60km out.
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#165 - 2014-04-15 00:35:08 UTC
Objectively, that video is completely worthless.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#166 - 2014-04-15 00:35:39 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.


Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE.

And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.


Generally this is the only way they will respond. Just look at that godawful E1 ragenought as an example.



Good luck storming the castle!



When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#167 - 2014-04-15 00:37:55 UTC
The Slayer wrote:


Also - Does anyone have a link to where CCP actually state that this is an exploit. .


This is it I believe.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-forcefield-access/?_ga=1.164118527.173669499.1363124798

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#168 - 2014-04-15 00:38:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts.

Yes, but you typically provided a larger body of evidence, generally of a higher quality than this. (hint, hint Twisted)

Good luck either way.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#169 - 2014-04-15 00:40:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts. used by us.


Yeah, but that does not really have anything to do with having any irrefutable evidence to back up the OP today does it?

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#170 - 2014-04-15 00:41:51 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.

Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense.

Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it?


If thats the case then we have a green light to bump titans out of POS.

That's not what I said but OK. You have my approval to bump titans, for whatever **** that's worth lol. Twisted


If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#171 - 2014-04-15 00:43:08 UTC
I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#172 - 2014-04-15 00:43:10 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts. used by us.


Yeah, but that does not really have anything to do with having any irrefutable evidence to back up the OP today does it?



Aside from the fact that we can see where the titans hit.
Avon
#173 - 2014-04-15 00:44:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.


So, because CCP won't reimburse a titan that died in mysterious circumstances which may or may not have involved an exploit, that's a green light for you to exploit? Seems legit.

Maybe, just maybe, CCP didn't flag it because it *wasn't* an exploit?

If only you had some proof.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#174 - 2014-04-15 00:44:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.

Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense.

Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it?


If thats the case then we have a green light to bump titans out of POS.

That's not what I said but OK. You have my approval to bump titans, for whatever **** that's worth lol. Twisted


If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.

Sure, if that's what you think this means, you should totally pursue it. Twisted
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#175 - 2014-04-15 00:45:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.


I'm trying really hard to find a downside to that if the 2km is measured from the outside edge.



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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Avon
#176 - 2014-04-15 00:46:11 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.


I'm trying really hard to find a downside to that if the 2km is measured from the outside edge.





Considering the cyno is clearly way more than 2km from the edge of the shield ...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#177 - 2014-04-15 00:46:59 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit?


Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#178 - 2014-04-15 00:48:32 UTC
Can we agree on three points here :

1/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY INSIDE a pos shield without a password IS an exploit

2/ Bumping a titan that is PARTIALLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e untargetable but ass sticking out IS NOT an exploit

3/ This video does not clearly show WHICH of these situations was true, in this case.
Avon
#179 - 2014-04-15 00:48:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit?


Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence


Would you be so kind as to get a screengrab from the vid that shows when that happened?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#180 - 2014-04-15 00:49:26 UTC
Avon wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.


I'm trying really hard to find a downside to that if the 2km is measured from the outside edge.





Considering the cyno is clearly way more than 2km from the edge of the shield ...


So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?