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N3 Video of Exploit to Gank CFC Titan

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#141 - 2014-04-14 23:59:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

How much more evidence do you want exactly? We have literally caught them in the act in a video.

No you haven't. You might have caught them after the act.

In order to know where any collision occurred, and at what time, you would need to know the speed of every single titan in that video and the rate at which each of them decelerated. Do you know this? If not, any extrapolation you do will be woefully inaccurate.

As for how much evidence I want?
I would like to see either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP. Either of those would be completely satisfactory.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#142 - 2014-04-15 00:00:42 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We have literally caught them in the act in a video.


Well, first you need to actually catch them in the act on video.





We can see where they came from. We can see what happened. You dont need to see the bump, we can see the results and work out their positions based on their movements.

right now you are trying to defend the use of an exploit after being shown an exploit being used. Do you honestly need us to draw lines showing you the movement of these ships?
Avon
#143 - 2014-04-15 00:02:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We have literally caught them in the act in a video.


I hate to be a pedant, but your use of the word "literally" would imply that the video showed the cause rather than the consequence.

Probably is bowling .. but no way to know for sure without actually seeing it happen.


Does the cut first part of the vid exist somewhere? Wouldn't it be better to post the "proof" rather than just make people speculate as to the cause?


The fact that the video doesn't cover the whole event is likely to make people sceptical, or at least suspicious as to the motivation of this thread.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#144 - 2014-04-15 00:02:04 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

How much more evidence do you want exactly? We have literally caught them in the act in a video.

No you haven't. You might have caught them after the act.

In order to know where any collision occurred, and at what time, you would need to know the speed of every single titan in that video and the rate at which each of them decelerated. Do you know this? If not, any extrapolation you do will be woefully inaccurate.

As for how much evidence I want?
I would like to see either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP. Either of those would be completely satisfactory.



You havent even seen the footage have you?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2014-04-15 00:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We have literally caught them in the act in a video.


I hate to be a pedant, but your use of the word "literally" would imply that the video showed the cause rather than the consequence.

Probably is bowling .. but no way to know for sure without actually seeing it happen.


Does the cut first part of the vid exist somewhere? Wouldn't it be better to post the "proof" rather than just make people speculate as to the cause?


The fact that the video doesn't cover the whole event is likely to make people sceptical, or at least suspicious as to the motivation of this thread.




Draw a line following the ship movements. You will see the point of impact.

The titan was inside the shield. If it wasnt then they would have simply used their DD.
Avon
#146 - 2014-04-15 00:04:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You dont need to see the bump,


Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof.

The bump could have happened just inside or just outside of the shield .. I guess we will never know.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#147 - 2014-04-15 00:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Yes I have. Your argument rests on the bump taking place while the Titan was inside the force field. You attempt to make some vague or "simple" extrapolation to that effect.

There is no bump in the video. That is indisputable. As such, we need either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP.

Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You dont need to see the bump,


Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof.

This.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#148 - 2014-04-15 00:09:07 UTC
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You dont need to see the bump,


Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof.

The bump could have happened just inside or just outside of the shield .. I guess we will never know.


Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?

Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?
Avon
#149 - 2014-04-15 00:13:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You dont need to see the bump,


Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof.

The bump could have happened just inside or just outside of the shield .. I guess we will never know.


Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?

Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?



Maybe the bump was unintentional? Who knows?
Got some proof?

Why is it hard to backtrack? It isn't, but equally it isn't conclusive.
It is almost as if you are being intentionally evasive.

Why is it so hard to post the start of the video?
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#150 - 2014-04-15 00:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
baltec1 wrote:

Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?

The same reason any number of other things happen in eve. Error, stupidity, who knows?
baltec1 wrote:

Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?

Because extrapolation isn't evidence. You could ask the entire population of Eve to extrapolate from this video, and you would get many different answers, most of them probably wrong.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#151 - 2014-04-15 00:15:01 UTC
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We have literally caught them in the act in a video.


I hate to be a pedant, but your use of the word "literally" would imply that the video showed the cause rather than the consequence.

Probably is bowling .. but no way to know for sure without actually seeing it happen.


Does the cut first part of the vid exist somewhere? Wouldn't it be better to post the "proof" rather than just make people speculate as to the cause?


The fact that the video doesn't cover the whole event is likely to make people sceptical, or at least suspicious as to the motivation of this thread.




Nice to see you around again Kerr.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#152 - 2014-04-15 00:18:37 UTC
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#153 - 2014-04-15 00:18:57 UTC
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You dont need to see the bump,


Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof.

The bump could have happened just inside or just outside of the shield .. I guess we will never know.


Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?

Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?



Maybe the bump was unintentional? Who knows?
Got some proof?

Why is it hard to backtrack? It isn't, but equally it isn't conclusive.
It is almost as if you are being intentionally evasive.

Why is it so hard to post the start of the video?


Its not our video, its theirs.

its also 100% accurate to draw a line based on their movement because they cannot turn. We can, with 100% accuracy see where the ships collided based on their movement.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#154 - 2014-04-15 00:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can. This is a big deal because damn near every bridging titan sits just inside the shield and by the sounds of it PL is pulling the same trick.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#155 - 2014-04-15 00:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.


Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE.

And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#156 - 2014-04-15 00:24:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We have literally caught them in the act in a video.


Well, first you need to actually catch them in the act on video.


We can see where they came from. We can see what happened. You dont need to see the bump, we can see the results and work out their positions based on their movements.

right now you are trying to defend the use of an exploit after being shown an exploit being used. Do you honestly need us to draw lines showing you the movement of these ships?


Whoa there, I'm not defending anyone, but like I said, you need to show me some actual evidence before I start crying foul. If you can draw those lines of yours using data points that CCP provides, that would be pretty damning.

But, you don't have that data, CCP does, and the more you go on the more I'm inclined to believe that CCP has already rendered their decision on this.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#157 - 2014-04-15 00:28:13 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.

Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense.

Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#158 - 2014-04-15 00:29:11 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.


Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE.

And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.


Generally this is the only way they will respond. Just look at that godawful E1 ragenought as an example.
Master Flakattack
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2014-04-15 00:29:56 UTC
You are blind or willfully denying a blatant exploit if you think that wasn't a POS bowl. That's clear as day.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#160 - 2014-04-15 00:30:42 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.

Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense.

Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it?


If thats the case then we have a green light to bump titans out of POS.