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An Announcement On The Future Of The World Of Darkness Project

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Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#321 - 2014-04-30 13:12:04 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Not surprising at all really. They shouldn't have even done DUST and just focused on Eve/WoD(in a more progressive manner).

Shame really, since the V:TM Bloodline was actually a good game and genre.


What? DUST is a damn good game. I play it a lot and have already spent on it easily £200 if not more.
All that is missing is serious EVE / DUST integration. DUST players have no clue of EVE online.

What is really missing is for CCP to make DUST fully accessible to the EVE player base. Bring DUST on PC.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#322 - 2014-04-30 13:15:29 UTC
WoD got nothing to do with Space, I think it was a good choice to dump it, well unless WoD was actually WiS and EVE players were vampires.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#323 - 2014-04-30 18:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Not surprising at all really. They shouldn't have even done DUST and just focused on Eve/WoD(in a more progressive manner).

Shame really, since the V:TM Bloodline was actually a good game and genre.


What? DUST is a damn good game. I play it a lot and have already spent on it easily £200 if not more.
All that is missing is serious EVE / DUST integration. DUST players have no clue of EVE online.

What is really missing is for CCP to make DUST fully accessible to the EVE player base. Bring DUST on PC.


DUST was a ill-concieve notion of a relatively unknown company trying to enter in one the the most oversaturated markets in gaming(FPS genre). The proof of the matter was the fact that DUST couldn't even keep up during the development cycle, so they had to rely on Sony to help finish their product just to launch it.

WoD plays into what CCP has done with Eve, create a game within a niche market and grow based on that. Not to mention they already utilized assets to acquire WW and already had the backing of that fan base, which they most likely severed with this decision.

E: Missed this.

Ubat Batuk wrote:
WoD got nothing to do with Space, I think it was a good choice to dump it, well unless WoD was actually WiS and EVE players were vampires.


Which is why it would have been a better choice. CCP needs to diversify its potential and outreach as a company, they tried this with the console but hasn't done so well. Right now CCP has backed themselves into a corner, they pretty much have put all their chips into the success of the Eve Franchise. Which is dangerous from a business perspective since Eve caters to a very niche audience.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#324 - 2014-04-30 19:42:07 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
WoD got nothing to do with Space


But it had everything to do with an open sandbox and consequences for choices in a cold, harsh world. If anyone could have pulled that off right, you would think it would have been CCP.

Unfortunately, they failed. It's become clear that the CCP of today is vastly different than the CCP of ten years ago, or even five years ago. Since they are no longer the company that can do this IP justice, they really need to pass it on to someone else. Whether through sale or licensing, I don't care, as long as it ends up in the hands of someone who will give it the respect and attention it deserves. Clearly CCP is not up to that task.
codex09
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#325 - 2014-05-01 02:30:20 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
8 years of development time wasted that could have been spent on eve? GG.


I could be wrong but I swear I remember reading at one time how the development of WOD would not affect EVE, yet thats exactly what was going on seeing as they make comment now on how they can now focus on developing EVE.

I also believe it was due to bad planning & taking on much more than they were truly able to handle, & now I am wondering just how bad the financial situation really is as far as CCP goes. {Hows that saying go? "Failing to PROPERLY plan is Planning to ultimately fail"} (Is that how it goes?)

Anyway always sad when people lose their jobs but sometimes it is just unavoidable.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#326 - 2014-05-01 09:49:45 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
WoD got nothing to do with Space


Incorrect

Mir was a Black Spiral Dancer Cairn

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#327 - 2014-05-02 22:55:53 UTC
Gospadin wrote:
Butzewutze wrote:
Next on the list:

Dust 514

Personaly i give it not more than 12 months before it will sold / canceling development.


Yea, if WoD was cancelled because they couldn't deliver the experience they wanted their user base to have, you gotta think Dust514 is next on the list.


Heh, and it took 2.5 weeks to announce that dust514 on PS3 is dead. I was close.
SCV'Argos
TheMurk
#328 - 2014-05-02 23:43:26 UTC
Screw DUST, WiS and Valkyrie. WoD was more important and had higher potential than all three of those, alltogether.
Damn you ccp, to cancel such an mmo.. Sad

I'm not a WoD fan (yet), but I see the potential of WoD MMO as so fuc**ng amazing.
And you ccp just ruined it... it's like an abortion of a genius.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#329 - 2014-05-03 08:56:17 UTC
So... you picked up White Wolf, one of my favourite RPG publishing companies, promised to make them a World of Darkness MMO, fired most of their employees and then shut down the project?

Yeah. Gotta say, not happy.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#330 - 2014-05-03 12:24:50 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
So... you picked up White Wolf, one of my favourite RPG publishing companies, promised to make them a World of Darkness MMO, fired most of their employees and then shut down the project?

Yeah. Gotta say, not happy.


No. Because that is not how

a) The RPG industry works (its 90% freelance, and MTG raped the company raw long before the turn of the century)

b) Mark ReinDOTHagen is perfectly happy with his pile of money that he sleeps on and doesnt give a stuff.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Leorgrium Tzash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#331 - 2014-05-10 07:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Leorgrium Tzash
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

As some of you may already be aware from the press release on www.ccpgames.com, the World of Darkness MMO project has been cancelled, effective today, April 14, 2014.

While this is a sad moment for those affected, this puts us in a far stronger position to devote more time and resources to the EVE Universe and our projects therein.

You can read the full press release on our website here, and if you want to discuss it, please do so in this thread to keep discussion focused.

We'll also be answering questions here as and when we can, so please feel free to ask if you have any queries.

Thanks.


Is there any chance to see a gameplay video from the alpha test someday?
I'm pretty curious to see world of darkness in action. :)
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#332 - 2014-05-10 07:45:26 UTC
The spin in this thread is amazing.

I once saved Charlie Sheen's life by buying the last bag of coke.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
#333 - 2014-05-10 08:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Meiyang Lee
SCV'Argos wrote:
Screw DUST, WiS and Valkyrie. WoD was more important and had higher potential than all three of those, alltogether.
Damn you ccp, to cancel such an mmo.. Sad

I'm not a WoD fan (yet), but I see the potential of WoD MMO as so fuc**ng amazing.
And you ccp just ruined it... it's like an abortion of a genius.


Which is exactly why they cancelled it. They see the potential, and they also saw that they could not do it justice.
CCP felt that they could not make it the game it deserved to be, so they decided to stop developing it.

This was much better for the IP, rather than continuing and releasing something that would drag that precious IP through the mud and reduce its value.

It might have gotten there eventually, just like EVE has, but it's not 2003 any more, you can't release an MMO in that state and expect it to live long enough to do enough iteration on the concept to actually turn it into the game you envision it to be.
IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2014-05-10 11:01:46 UTC
I said it when everyone originally found out WoD was being canceled weeks ago and I will say it again. World of Twilight needed to die, lets just hope they can redistribute resources properly.
SCV'Argos
TheMurk
#335 - 2014-05-10 11:05:36 UTC
Meiyang Lee wrote:
SCV'Argos wrote:
Screw DUST, WiS and Valkyrie. WoD was more important and had higher potential than all three of those, alltogether.
Damn you ccp, to cancel such an mmo.. Sad

I'm not a WoD fan (yet), but I see the potential of WoD MMO as so fuc**ng amazing.
And you ccp just ruined it... it's like an abortion of a genius.


Which is exactly why they cancelled it. They see the potential, and they also saw that they could not do it justice.
CCP felt that they could not make it the game it deserved to be, so they decided to stop developing it.

This was much better for the IP, rather than continuing and releasing something that would drag that precious IP through the mud and reduce its value.

It might have gotten there eventually, just like EVE has, but it's not 2003 any more, you can't release an MMO in that state and expect it to live long enough to do enough iteration on the concept to actually turn it into the game you envision it to be.

Ok, undestandable. But putting it on a shelf would've been better than complete cancellation. I hope they've not given up completely.
SCV'Argos
TheMurk
#336 - 2014-05-10 11:10:06 UTC
IDGAD wrote:
I said it when everyone originally found out WoD was being canceled weeks ago and I will say it again. World of Twilight needed to die, lets just hope they can redistribute resources properly.

Please don't write stupid things. It has nothing in common with twilight-crap except the term "vampire".
Or are you just a troll? Big smile
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#337 - 2014-05-10 11:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sirinda
I'd be interested in how many people worked on WoD at the moment of its cancellation and how many of them you managed to migrate to doing work on Eve and its spinoffs? I'm assuming Newcastle would be getting the majority of transfers?

EDIT: On the topic of vampires in media, the only decent movie about them in recent times is "We Are The Night". The rest is just romance with superpowers garbage.
Shivanthar
#338 - 2014-05-10 11:49:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivanthar
Let me tell you what I think:

When I look at CCP Games, I see "EvE Online". EvE seems like to me, rather than a CCP's asset, it is CCP itself. This game, has been holding a steady fan base for very very long time. I think, CCP as a company, should allocate all available development sources into this game, which your flagship product, named EvE Online.

I've never seen any other game that CCP developed as a major product, only side products. I don't own console, I have only a powerful desktop PC which I assembeld, so this might be a reason for me to develop this kind of feeling. On the other hand, I've never seen any other MMO as long-lasting as EvE Online. Maybe World Of Warcraft, but it will never be as old as EvE unless you guys shut company down before they shut WoW servers down ;)

I watched the keynote. Stuff looked promising. Getting WoD team involved in EvE project means around 6 months of developer learn-curve (aka dead time). After that, I sense a disturbance in the force, where their workforce joins with yours and the product publishing speed (patches, expansions) will escalate exponentially.

I also didn't forget, your DX11 nvidia demo from past, where asteroids are bumping from the ships surface which had tesselation and great quality. Please make that happen. People always applause what seemed attractive. ALWAYS! Not only this makes your game beautiful, but also it will attract more new subscribers who want to have a new mmo with more eye-candy graphics.
People like eye candy. Proof? Like here, here and here.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
PsiMin
Ranger Industries
The Rogue Consortium
#339 - 2014-05-10 13:53:37 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

As some of you may already be aware from the press release on www.ccpgames.com, the World of Darkness MMO project has been cancelled, effective today, April 14, 2014.

While this is a sad moment for those affected, this puts us in a far stronger position to devote more time and resources to the EVE Universe and our projects therein.

You can read the full press release on our website here, and if you want to discuss it, please do so in this thread to keep discussion focused.

We'll also be answering questions here as and when we can, so please feel free to ask if you have any queries.

Thanks.



thats a shame when i saw the promo a few years back it looked good
Aragoni
Black Talon Command
#340 - 2014-05-10 15:00:42 UTC
Got so damn sad when I saw the announcement. Had been looking forward to the game for years, just to see it crash and burn. Can we at least see the video that was shown on fanfest last year?