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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1861 - 2014-05-02 21:48:39 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Feels Rise and Fozzie are taunting us by making the Mordu reveal without numbers unless I'm missing another thread.

Nope - probably next week along with some of the other stuff (new Venture, freighters…).

New venture (Prospect) is already up here.


Called it.

There was no way it was going to get a cov ops cloak and still keep the Venture's innate warp strength. Now all it is, is something much more fun to screw with people.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kassandra Tielaxi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1862 - 2014-05-02 21:51:55 UTC
Where is the love for the Nestor and other SOE ships? They are also pirate faction, and in the case of the Nestor, desperately need some help to balance them. Currently the Nestor is the most expensive, but the least capable of the faction battleships.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1863 - 2014-05-02 21:59:38 UTC
Kassandra Tielaxi wrote:
Where is the love for the Nestor and other SOE ships? They are also pirate faction, and in the case of the Nestor, desperately need some help to balance them. Currently the Nestor is the most expensive, but the least capable of the faction battleships.

Lol

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1864 - 2014-05-02 22:13:54 UTC
Kassandra Tielaxi wrote:
Where is the love for the Nestor and other SOE ships? They are also pirate faction, and in the case of the Nestor, desperately need some help to balance them. Currently the Nestor is the most expensive, but the least capable of the faction battleships.

Two extremes for what could be the 2 best pirate Battleships
Most expensive and least capable
Cheapest and most limited use

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1865 - 2014-05-03 00:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kassandra Tielaxi wrote:
Where is the love for the Nestor and other SOE ships? They are also pirate faction, and in the case of the Nestor, desperately need some help to balance them. Currently the Nestor is the most expensive, but the least capable of the faction battleships.

Two extremes for what could be the 2 best pirate Battleships
Most expensive and least capable
Cheapest and most limited use


I still believe that if the drone system is sorted out, then the rattlesnake can be a really good ship.
somehow the new drone system needs to have the same capability over the whole range of targets as previously.

Seen some good posts over the last couple of days, Maybe some to those ideas (some of them yours) should be put into play.

The gila sort of works, A different role for it for sure, but should do ok.

The rattlesnake nice missiles, but the drone side is sadly very lacking.

Yes, All can be worked around, fits can be found to do a light target monster or a Gank specialist fit.

But other ships can do most of the roles people want to use it for , Better.

So can we have, Heavy or medium drones, capable across all classes of target please.
If it is meant to now be a Mobile Brawler, sentries are now redundant, Make the remaining drone capability useful and desirable.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1866 - 2014-05-03 00:09:16 UTC
Kassandra Tielaxi wrote:
Where is the love for the Nestor and other SOE ships? They are also pirate faction, and in the case of the Nestor, desperately need some help to balance them. Currently the Nestor is the most expensive, but the least capable of the faction battleships.


I think you might find a lot of people agree with you.Big smile

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1867 - 2014-05-03 01:22:47 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

somehow the new drone system needs to have the same capability over the whole range of targets as previously.


No.

Because to do that, you would have to compensate by severely cutting the missile bonus, not to mention likely removing it's applicability to all size launchers. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#1868 - 2014-05-03 01:33:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

somehow the new drone system needs to have the same capability over the whole range of targets as previously.


No.

Because to do that, you would have to compensate by severely cutting the missile bonus, not to mention likely removing it's applicability to all size launchers. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.



Wrong. That is an idiotic conclusion. No good reason we can't have bonuses on all our drones.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1869 - 2014-05-03 02:06:06 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

somehow the new drone system needs to have the same capability over the whole range of targets as previously.


No.

Because to do that, you would have to compensate by severely cutting the missile bonus, not to mention likely removing it's applicability to all size launchers. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.



Wrong. That is an idiotic conclusion. No good reason we can't have bonuses on all our drones.


There is a good reason. The fact that it would make the ship into an all powerful frigate muncher, and wouldn't give cruisers much chance either.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1870 - 2014-05-03 02:12:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

somehow the new drone system needs to have the same capability over the whole range of targets as previously.


No.

Because to do that, you would have to compensate by severely cutting the missile bonus, not to mention likely removing it's applicability to all size launchers. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.



Wrong. That is an idiotic conclusion. No good reason we can't have bonuses on all our drones.


There is a good reason. The fact that it would make the ship into an all powerful frigate muncher, and wouldn't give cruisers much chance either.


I am convince that there are some players who have no concept of balance at all.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1871 - 2014-05-03 02:31:42 UTC
The only redeeming feature with the Rattlesnake is the Gecko. Too bad it can only run one...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1872 - 2014-05-03 02:36:51 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
The only redeeming feature with the Rattlesnake is the Gecko. Too bad it can only run one...


Of note, does the Gecko count as a heavy drone? If so, that's like having a pocket assault frigate alongside a Navy Scorpion. Not really half bad, considering the Gecko has the tracking of a medium gun turret and a fuckton of damage.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1873 - 2014-05-03 02:42:40 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
The only redeeming feature with the Rattlesnake is the Gecko. Too bad it can only run one...

Where am I missing the stats for the gecko? Were they displayed during they key note?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1874 - 2014-05-03 02:49:00 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Where am I missing the stats for the gecko? Were they displayed during they key note?

They weren't, but you can view the ship and stats already in-game (just search for Gecko).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#1875 - 2014-05-03 04:06:50 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Where am I missing the stats for the gecko? Were they displayed during they key note?

They weren't, but you can view the ship and stats already in-game (just search for Gecko).


Looks interesting...

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#1876 - 2014-05-03 05:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
The super drone idea is new and interesting, but please don't do this to the Rattlesnake. We like our drones as our primary weapon system. The Snake has never been considered OP and so it doesn't make sense that it is losing more than it is gaining with these changes.

I suggest creating new ships with the super drones so Guristas pilots won't be screwed over unnecessarily.

There claims that the Snake doesn't have a role. Why can't its role remain versatility and resistance to ewar? With these changes it has the same weaknesses as other pirate faction battleships but less real DPS.

We forgive you for not understanding the Rattlesnake, its hard to know everything about every ship. Just give it some more high/mid/low slots, please. Its DPS does need a boost but it shouldn't come at the cost of gutting everything good about it.

Do what you know to be right. This is the most reasonable solution. The majority agree it is not up to snuff and it is not a good way to treat your customers.

Additionally, considering its shield tanked, uses missiles, has a Caldari style hull, stats and maneuverability. I don't see why this ship needs to be even more like Caldari.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1877 - 2014-05-03 06:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Priestess Lin wrote:
The super drone idea is new and interesting, but please don't do this to the Rattlesnake. We like our drones as our primary weapon system. The Snake has never been considered OP and so it doesn't make sense that it is losing more than it is gaining with these changes.

I suggest creating new ships with the super drones so Guristas pilots won't be screwed over unnecessarily.

There claims that the Snake doesn't have a role. Why can't its role remain versatility and resistance to ewar? With these changes it has the same weaknesses as other pirate faction battleships but less real DPS.

We forgive you for not understanding the Rattlesnake, its hard to know everything about every ship. Just give it some more high/mid/low slots, please. Its DPS does need a boost but it shouldn't come at the cost of gutting everything good about it.

Do what you know to be right. This is the most reasonable solution. The majority agree it is not up to snuff and it is not a good way to treat your customers.

Additionally, considering its shield tanked, uses missiles, has a Caldari style hull, stats and maneuverability. I don't see why this ship needs to be even more like Caldari.


The current snake on TQ is not versatile at all. It is by far the worst pirate battleship and it is out shined by the domi in every way as a drone boat and only sees use as a supertanked level 4 drake with drones. The CFC are sitting on a mountain of BPCs that we simply could not shift. The new rattle is a hell of a lot more adaptable and one of the most deadly solo battleships and is the best battleship that can be made into a dedicated anti frig/cruiser platform. It is something unique rather than simply a shield domi and it is perfectly understandable that this guristas ship is a caldari missile boat with a twist as that is what guristas are all about.
Giullare
The Candyman is Back
#1878 - 2014-05-03 08:24:41 UTC
Rattlesnake is still a little behind other pirate battleships.
It can use a minor boost like +1 high slot (not even missile hardpoint).
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1879 - 2014-05-03 09:26:16 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

somehow the new drone system needs to have the same capability over the whole range of targets as previously.


No.

Because to do that, you would have to compensate by severely cutting the missile bonus, not to mention likely removing it's applicability to all size launchers. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.



Wrong. That is an idiotic conclusion. No good reason we can't have bonuses on all our drones.


There is a good reason. The fact that it would make the ship into an all powerful frigate muncher, and wouldn't give cruisers much chance either.


I am convince that there are some players who have no concept of balance at all.

Keeping it polite, I also believe there are players who have no concept of balance.

I am suggesting not one iota of extra power, I am also suggesting keeping drones as useful as they currently are.
I can accept that they are tuned, to emphasise mobile brawling.
I find making them an incompetent system is a nerf not a buff.

Taking an icecream and dipping it in mud is not balance.
It is an excuse some claim has validity, which stops us from having nice things. It is certainly not balance.

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1880 - 2014-05-03 09:29:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

somehow the new drone system needs to have the same capability over the whole range of targets as previously.


No.

Because to do that, you would have to compensate by severely cutting the missile bonus, not to mention likely removing it's applicability to all size launchers. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.



Wrong. That is an idiotic conclusion. No good reason we can't have bonuses on all our drones.


There is a good reason. The fact that it would make the ship into an all powerful frigate muncher, and wouldn't give cruisers much chance either.



You mean like a vindicator, bhaalgorn and machariel?

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