Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Too simplistic. Ideally, you'll use the missiles until you're one volley from killing the target, which means the target is in hull or nearly so. Since NPCs have no hull resists, all drone types (i.e. damage types) are "100%" effective at that point, which means you can use Gardes (high tracking) for close in work, and Curators (2nd highest DPS come Summer drone changes) at range. This maximizes DPS and reduces DPS loss to overkill (i.e. missiles have larger volley damage than sentries.)

But, the micromanagement involved...

One neat thing I noticed after training sentries is that they correct for overkill on their own pretty efficiently. As soon as a target dies, they switch immediately to whatever they consider next.

Superdrones will be less efficient at this, as they fire damage as bigger chunks, but between their fire rate and the fact that there is two they should still be much better at this than all but the most efficient missile user.

Ewar immunity alone will keep me in a maurader so long as drones get eaten so often by rats without reliable tools to manage aggro. I dont even juggle tractors, I drop a MTU and when I have 6 or 7 rooms I come back in a Noctis.

With my Kronos Null reaches out to almost 70km, and 2 of my guns oneshot most frigates and destroyers at any range from 8k out to max. Keeping my guns in two groups allows me clear mission rooms pretty fast. Last time I did Worlds Collide I think it took me a bit under 20 minutes to clear everything, travel time included. I dont Blitz, I kill all the things.



I do alot of missions against serpentis, who are not afraid to damp you down to about a 3 inch targetting range. Drones were awesome, until they had to be constantly recalled and wont re-engage without a targeted command or waiting on something to switch targets.

I will likely try a Rattlesnake. I have always loved the Gurista line, but until a year ago never trained missiles or Caldari hulls. I am not hopeful though, drones need more love than they are getting with this pass.

It does seem that this ship has had so many micromanagement needs added that one really considers whether it is worth flying at all.

It can be wonderful, with a little help from solutions posted by many.

As an attempt of humor, It does seem that the Guristas special feature has become one where the rattlesnake is designed for the analy obsessive micromanager.

If one cannot get the best out of it, they will delight in hundreds of pages and stats showing one just that if you land at exactly 80km with the perfect mix of Rats, with the right sentry, right missile, right rigs, right mods,and drop a mobile depot and refit at 45km, then it is quite a good ship. Almost as good as a Navy Domi !
Bob likes rattlesnakes as well as navy Domi's in sacrifice.

When one is up to ones waist in sleepers, fiddling round like this swapping sentries, swapping ammo, burning to get just the right range, is a pain when one wants do well, but when it gets to this NOT to lose half your weapons ability to work at all, then things are really wrong,fit for a specific range, sure possible, but things change, and you will die horribly while so distracted from the job in hand, either to sleepers or other wormhole dwellers.
Will it be any different in KS?


Alternatively CCP rise, could you listen to your customers, and take account of what is being asked for and suggested?

Sorry are you suggesting that,all the people who have expressed concerns, over so many pages, and so many
Pages of trolls being deleted for trying to hide and disrupt other peoples concerns, so desperate to prevent those views and dissatisfaction from being presented, or even allowed to be spoken? are one persons view and those concerns are just fevered imaginings?

Sure

Good luck with that

Edit I just saw ninja Edit, emphasising the paragraph.
Sorry completely misread the intention of your post
You are of course quite right, so we now have a ship currently making one player satisfied?Not exactly a ringing endorsement

I could never understand the concept of having a technical argument with oneself. No matter how many characters one uses.

I don't know. Different things for different people I guess. The micro is no more than say, a TFI (actually it also needs to think about it's tank carefully) and a fair number of people use those to great success.

Going to come down to preference, I guess.

not really; TFI have a main weapon system that do most of the dmg; so you concentrate on that, and if you lose some dps from drones, it's not like you lose half your dps; also guns go much better with drones(sentrys) and spliting them will help you with the overshoot much more than with missiles

Problem is, if one wants to have a simple, uncluttered life, that is seriously looking like a better option. Not saying the rattlesnake could not be used, it clearly can, just so many things make certain scenarios a real micromanagement nightmare. Besides CNR has a dronebay too,so does the CnS how many try to use the three sentries on these....... Sure more DPS but at what price in sanity.

So it seems the sales pitch is:- The new Rattlesnake, all new for Summer, Now almost as good as the CN scorpion or CN Raven, even more fun if you like your life difficult.
The reality is that people will give up and just fit for missiles and use the drones as they are used on the Navy raven. and it will just be not be as good as a Navy Raven.......

Pity, it has the chance to be a decent functional desirable ship, CCP seem to want it to be, But if CCP rise does not reply, we have no way of knowing if the Trolls succeeded in driving him away in order to block discussion and improvement.


I do hope that is not the case, as that would be such a waste.

Yes, I ditched the drones from the CNR - weren't worth the hassle, but that was because they lacked the pain a TFIs can provide. I can and do abuse those on a regular basis. And it couldnt fit a DLA any more.

I still like the idea of the current rattlesnake, however its the current ... I'm loathe to use the word "shortcomings"...being discussed wouldnt be resolved by anything currently suggested without creating the potential for an utterly broken ship. I mean, even in this incarnation as was posted, it can get truckload of DPS out and have a huge EHP, whilst it's not head and shoulders above other pirate ships, I dont think it'd take much to make it a crazy machine.

Personally I think it's not in a bad way, but I dont mind a bit of micromanagement for good effect. I like things that reward and aggressive, engaged player - which is why I'm such a fan of the fleet typhoon, you really get out what you put into it.

I've kind of changed my mind about it now. I'm still not convinced it's going to be a great ship or as OP as I feel it deserves to be, but I'm kind of eager to try it out.