Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is, although truthfully Faction ammunition is equally as effective (what you lack in damage application is made up for in raw damage, plus the additional range which certainly never hurts).

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2455929#post2455929 would indicate 7 highs (unless he left one empty)

Hm, I was unaware of this missile specialist heritage. Before my time and all...

Well, in that case, ADD a launcher (for 6 actual and 9 effective launchers), move a low to a high (or better, just add the missing high), and reduce sentry/heavy bonus from 275% to 200%. And add some CPU.

Agh, who are we kidding, nothing is going to change anymore...

I would argue that most Pirate ships are in a different league compared to navy ones.

CCP Rise 10 - ISD Ezwal 7. As it should be.
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Whatever the rattlesnake becomes, I am uncomfortable with it becoming a platform, where the only practical option is rapid lights and heavies.

If it is going to be a missile boat, it should be good at it. Better than the navy missile ships, not a repainted navy scorpion.
If it is going to remain a hybrid with an increase in missile power, it should not degrade the drone side.
Either is good if done well, the ideal is a ship that can be fitted to be excellent with missiles and decent(as now) with drones, all drones. Or excellent with drones, better with drones than now, with decent (as now missiles) or a mix of the two.

Fittings should decide this not prenerfed weapons systems.

There is something wrong where every suggestion is accused of making the ship overpowered due to the ability to fit bonused rapids.

So suggestions seem to follow into the following groups.

1 leave entirely as suggested. This makes for very limited options to make use of the ship, awesome when fitted with rapids and everything else is disappointing. this does please a small group a great deal but most others are left disappointed.

2 rectify identified issues, restoring the smaller drone class bonuses, reverting to 4 launchers with appropriate missile bonus on those to achieve CCP Rises damage upgrade desires.

3 The above but with the superdrones being increased in power as suggested by mike Voidstar (please see his posts for excellent analysis and details) and more importantly hitpoints to keep the superdrone concept balanced across ship classes.

4 if the superdrones are balanced, and lights and mediums retain bonus, if the missile bonus is such that it does not favour rapid lights to the degree where they are the only reasonable fit, then drones and missiles should be able to be selected as to player desires without it being possible to fit for max missile and max drone at the same time. retain the rapid missile bonus , but only allow 4 launchers and drop the idea of a fifth altogether, and make part of the missile bonus a bonus to rate of fire. This prevents rapid missiles from totally dominating the choice of fit, and helps mitigate it from becoming a terrifying frigate killer without match, but still allows it to perform that role well.

This may be a balance that all except the first group may accept as all types of player have a chance of a good ship.
But naturally those who were happy to have a ship ideally suited to their exact needs and desires will be severely disappointed.


Cpu and power may need slight tweaks for this to be acceptable, but keeping to 4 launchers eases the issue.

Personally i would like to see a small increase to capacitor recharge rate to take account of the recent change to omnidirectionals, where they now require capacitor to run. This enables the rattlesnake to once again be operated in a passive manner as previously, where the benefit of that was achieved with fitting choices that were inherently weaker. Of course an option of the old omidirectionals would be preferable, but understandably probably will not happen. or would it be possible that when neuted or off they keep their base functionality but the scripts are disabled?

Navy Scorp technically has more launchers (8 vs 7.5 at all 5s)

While I agree, I don't think a full set of bonused drones counts as a little better.

But eh, I suppose the fitting differences are what really make that up.

Malcanis was understating, I believe.

At any rate, I agree with him.

ROF bonus with Rapids makes you reload more often, leading to less damage.

Actually reloading more often leads to more damage over time.

Where ROF bonuses lose is in the delayed damage aspect of missiles. Rapid Launchers are designed specifically to shoot small targets, unless you can predict which volley is the kill shot and not fire the next, you will always end up with wasted volleys.

The further away from you targets are, the more wasted volleys = Less Dps applied per reload.