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To be fair, drones tend to be more adaptable than any other weapon. I can change from lights to heavies on the fly while having the equivalent of a full rack of each on hand at all times. I can't do the same for launchers without help from a ship/structure with a fitting service.

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I have a suggestion for the superdrone concept for the rattlesnake, please read it all if you have any interest in this ship.

Before anyone goes on, The Following Proposals add absolutely Zero, not one DPS. To this ship.

The superdrone concept appears to have the concept of reducing the number of drone in large fights and sentries have been the weapon needing to be reduced in quantities.

Other drones were not such a major issue..

I suggest leaving sentries exactly the same as the current rebalance thread.


As for the other drones I suggest leaving the 2 heavy drones exactly the same as proposed by CCP currently. They will be mainly ignored.

However I recommend that the medium drones gain bonuses to bring them to exactly the same damage and hitpoints as a flight of heavies.

This makes them useful and not overpowered,
They will have some application against frigates as even glancing blows will give some applied damage to fast light ships.

Each fit, whether missiles, mediums, or sentries require different fitting compromises preventing one system being overpowered by the addition of the other.

5 medium superdrones solves most of the issues we have encountered.


It gives the option of a medium and close range drone system. And a slightly longer range sentry system.

The DLA removal issue is still a problem for sentries, but the superdrones do give an alternative now with this suggestion, rather than there being no really good drone choice now.



Please say what you feel, please do not use this as just a means to attack others, but really, is it a good idea?

Nope.

It would make the ship rampantly overpowered against smaller vessels thanks to the missile bonus in order to solve something that has been firmly established is not a problem in the first place.

[edit: I am genuinely being serious here, to say that if the proposed Rattlesnake had a dps bonus for smaller drones, I would feel comfortable taking on a ten man frigate gang by myself in that ship. [edit 2: While eating gate gun fire the whole time. That's called being overpowered.

Firstly, this is the whole point of superdrones being fitted on this ship. CCP believe sentry drone assist is an issue, so they probably disagree with you.


Um not one DPS more, Medium drone statistics applied damage, is rampantly overpowered against frigates.
I am sorry, but medium drones are not good frigate killers. Any more than medium turretts without a tracking bonus. So I am at a complete loss as to how that would make it overpowered against small vessels.

You do realise I am not talking about light missiles?

Yes. That is my take on a really high EHP, light drone bonused & RLML bonused battleship. Not to say that it wouldn't be fun, but balanced? No.

The fact that you do not talk about the missiles does not mean they are not there.

Pretty much.

If we're going to get a full set of bonused drones worth of dps, and a full rack of launchers worth of dps, then we have to make some tradeoffs.

I for am more than happy to give up light drones, they barely matter at this point anyway when the Rattlesnake has become the only battleship in the entire game with a damage bonus to rapid light missile launchers. That's huge, no matter what any detractors say.

No. The ability to use any size launcher would make the ship a horrific bloated destroyer if it got that same level of dps out of mediums.

That is why my earlier and now deleted suggestions focused on increasing the superdrone bonus on heavies and sentries to be closer to those enjoyed by the smaller hulls in the Gurista line.

Drones do less damage than other systems, partly because of their supreme application at all sizes. That flexibility is partly being sacrificed to the superdrone concept. This is fine on the smaller hulls because the drawbacks are compensated with a 60% increase in HP and DPS to the size appropriate drones over that of other in class drone platforms.

In the interest of maintaining the balance of the pirate lines, I would suggest a 400% superdrone bonus, putting max effective weapons at 17.5 on the hull. While potentially best in class, this would be ameliorated by drones traditional lighter damage, the launchers often being undersized, the innefficiency of fitting for two discreet weapon systems, lack of implants and such for drones, and the compromises required for a ship trying to fit Two weapon systems and a Tank all notorious for their CPU consumtion. The Rattlesnake will have many options, but not all of them will be possible all the time. The balance and compromises between damage, application, tank and overall fitting will be brutal, but meaningful.

You chosing to ignore half of the ships bonuses does not mean the ship should get even more firepower.