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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#101 - 2014-04-14 14:44:11 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
I'm very glad you decided to not ruin the Rattlesnake but why did the missile velocity bonus need to be removed? The velocity bonus fit perfectly into the playstyle and versatility of the ship.

Also, why do the drones bays have to be so limited on these ships?


I don't think they did the Rattlesnake any favors.

Sentries with no tracking, range bonus are pretty bad. Omni nerf makes them worse.

Luckily I can't fly one.
Warmonger Murderalt
Shady Business Inc.
#102 - 2014-04-14 14:44:28 UTC
I'm just glad this wasn't a slaughter like it was in the cruiser thread. I don't see any changes that would cause any ship to be worthless. Remarkable.

+1 for changes.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2014-04-14 14:44:36 UTC
Callic Veratar wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that the rattlesnake stays at 7.5 effective drones, though 375% of a heavy drone is pretty nasty. I can understand the reasoning with sentries included, since anything bigger would have just wiped everything off grid.

Hooray for the extra launcher and damage bonus to missiles, that should improve it's presence some.


but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#104 - 2014-04-14 14:44:48 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
Why does the rattle get a sentry bonus? Not like I don't want it, it just doesn't feel right.

Can you imagine the butthurt if it only got a heavy drone bonus? Lol

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Longdrinks
Zero Fun Allowed
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#105 - 2014-04-14 14:46:45 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Longdrinks wrote:
whats so important about 6 turrets? Do you get stir crazy by flying the sabre with 7 turrets too?

yeah, I'm not understanding this either. Since when have eve ships been symmetrical.

He does have a penchant for officer fit pve boats so maybe its a ploy to save money on one turret >:V
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#106 - 2014-04-14 14:48:13 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
yeah, I'm not understanding this either. Since when have eve ships been symmetrical.

Extra (cough) mid-slot (cough)...

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Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2014-04-14 14:48:34 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that the rattlesnake stays at 7.5 effective drones, though 375% of a heavy drone is pretty nasty. I can understand the reasoning with sentries included, since anything bigger would have just wiped everything off grid.

Hooray for the extra launcher and damage bonus to missiles, that should improve it's presence some.


but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5


275% is the bonus. 375% of 2 is 7.5
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#108 - 2014-04-14 14:48:40 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:


275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5


Its a 275% bonus. 375% actual x2 is 7.5
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#109 - 2014-04-14 14:48:47 UTC
Vindi not nerfed? Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, ...

Rattle and Nightmare look yummie too :D
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#110 - 2014-04-14 14:49:01 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Front page baby!

OH MY GOD YOU DIDN'T NERF THE MACH!!!1 Big smile

Edit: what may your logic behind giving the nightmare 30% bonus to AB speed rather than 20% like the rest of the line be?



My guess is you cant oversize the ab on a bs

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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#111 - 2014-04-14 14:49:21 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that the rattlesnake stays at 7.5 effective drones, though 375% of a heavy drone is pretty nasty. I can understand the reasoning with sentries included, since anything bigger would have just wiped everything off grid.

Hooray for the extra launcher and damage bonus to missiles, that should improve it's presence some.


but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5



No it is 7.5

100% = 4;
200% = 6;
300% = 8;

Also, Range bonus + tank bonus is dumb. I wish they would remove it on the Eagle, vulture, rohk line up and add something useful.

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Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#112 - 2014-04-14 14:51:51 UTC
By the way, are we going to be getting True Sansha afterburners now?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#113 - 2014-04-14 14:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Any update on the spruce goose? (Nestor)

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2014-04-14 14:57:36 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that the rattlesnake stays at 7.5 effective drones, though 375% of a heavy drone is pretty nasty. I can understand the reasoning with sentries included, since anything bigger would have just wiped everything off grid.

Hooray for the extra launcher and damage bonus to missiles, that should improve it's presence some.


but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5


Please don't post in these threads if you lack the understanding of how bonuses work.
A 30% bonus to something doesn't drop the effectiveness to 30% does it?
The 100% bonuses double the effectiveness.
275% bonus is 3.75 times 2 =7.5.
Exactly the same as before (except you can get this without gallente BS 5 now)
25% increase in cruise EM /Explosive damage and almost double for kin/therm (from 4 to 7.5 effective launchers).

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a newbie
Kenbishi Heavy Industries Inc.
#115 - 2014-04-14 14:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: a newbie
Nevermind, someone posted my question before me.

...um.. fire?
Sintiar Loffwagea
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2014-04-14 15:00:20 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
By the way, are we going to be getting True Sansha afterburners now?


i would like to see if it's change from AB to MWD bonus Big smile
Calsys
Monks of War
#117 - 2014-04-14 15:02:01 UTC
yea
nice


nerf assist!

boost rattlesnake!

MORE RATTLESNAKE-fleets!

2 sentry drones NOT 5 drones ( up to 50! ~ 18k dps WITHOUT damage modules!)


OKAY LolLolLol
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#118 - 2014-04-14 15:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Kitty Bear wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that the rattlesnake stays at 7.5 effective drones, though 375% of a heavy drone is pretty nasty. I can understand the reasoning with sentries included, since anything bigger would have just wiped everything off grid.

Hooray for the extra launcher and damage bonus to missiles, that should improve it's presence some.


but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5


It is true that if one of your drones gets attack (and they often do) and you have to pull them back, that is a big chunk of your DPS right there. 5 drones is almost always better than 2.

I think it sucks t reduced the drone bay to the minimum effective capacity as well but I suppose I should just be thankful it didn't get totally ruined for me.

Missile velocity was unnecessarily removed too. It was just the one thing the least people complained about. Some people actually do use torpedoes on a rattlesnake and I don't know why that was considered too strong to keep.

Nothing should have been taken away from the rattlesnake at all, it only needed buffs.
Deeone
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#119 - 2014-04-14 15:03:08 UTC
tl:dr mach and vindi still only faction bs useful in pvp. geddon is still better than the bhaal for the money. Rattler will be completely useless pretty much. I'm not sure why this was the "most healthy" group? maybe rise flys the mach too much. for the most part outside pve bling there is still not much of a reason to fly any of these except the mach for solo pvp. the T1 bs are way better buys for most other things. short of a massive price drop i cant see wide use of any of these ships not enough bang for the buck. (mach excluded because its the mach)
Johann Rascali
The Milkmen
Churn and Burn
#120 - 2014-04-14 15:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Johann Rascali
a newbie wrote:
but at 275% for 2 drones, your getting 4-3/4 drones which is less than the base effective 5 drones it could deploy more.

Funny you mention that directly below an argument detailing it as being 7.5 effective drones.

Obviously the Nightmare idea is popular as Gist X-Type 100MN ABs have already been practically swept off the market; really glad I nabbed one for 105mil before the madness.

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