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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#1161 - 2014-04-22 23:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Anyhow can we discuss real issues that have come to light, like CPU on the Rattlesnake and capacitor on the Nightmare?


Cap has always been a problem on the NM. There are a few ways around it - XL-ASB or a cap booster, depending on your preference.


Maybe baltec was right and I wait until they hit SiSi.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1162 - 2014-04-22 23:41:29 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Anyhow can we discuss real issues that have come to light, like CPU on the Rattlesnake and capacitor on the Nightmare?


Cap has always been a problem on the NM. There are a few ways around it - XL-ASB or a cap booster, depending on your preference.


Maybe baltec was right and I wait until they hit SiSi.


I agree. He's a wise man, by his posts.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#1163 - 2014-04-22 23:42:29 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I believe Rise even went so far as to say that capacitor issues on Sansha ships are intentional.


I did read that, thanks.

Yet I believe that was for the power level those ships had at the time of Apocrypha. Everything has been buffed in that area and none of the sansha ships are consideres dps-solo-wft-bbq-pwn-mobiles.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#1164 - 2014-04-22 23:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
elitatwo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I believe Rise even went so far as to say that capacitor issues on Sansha ships are intentional.


I did read that, thanks.

Yet I believe that was for the power level those ships had at the time of Apocrypha. Everything has been buffed in that area and none of the sansha ships are consideres dps-solo-wft-bbq-pwn-mobiles.


Nope. Rise said it in this year's batch of pirate threads.

CCP Rise wrote:

Oh and on the Succubus, while we may make small changes to cap for Sansha in general, it is likely that cap will continue to be one of the larger weaknesses.
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1165 - 2014-04-22 23:54:07 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I believe Rise even went so far as to say that capacitor issues on Sansha ships are intentional.


I did read that, thanks.

Yet I believe that was for the power level those ships had at the time of Apocrypha. Everything has been buffed in that area and none of the sansha ships are consideres dps-solo-wft-bbq-pwn-mobiles.


Nope. Rise said it in this year's batch of pirate threads.


In terms of pure firepower & projection, they are still pretty strong... 1000+ DPS at 40KM without implants isn't shabby, by any means.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1166 - 2014-04-22 23:55:34 UTC
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I believe Rise even went so far as to say that capacitor issues on Sansha ships are intentional.


I did read that, thanks.

Yet I believe that was for the power level those ships had at the time of Apocrypha. Everything has been buffed in that area and none of the sansha ships are consideres dps-solo-wft-bbq-pwn-mobiles.


Nope. Rise said it in this year's batch of pirate threads.


In terms of pure firepower & projection, they are still pretty strong... 1000+ DPS at 40KM without implants isn't shabby, by any means.


The only good glass cannon ships are Stealth Bombers, and we all know why.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1167 - 2014-04-22 23:57:10 UTC
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Anyhow can we real issues that have come to light, like CPU on the Rattlesnake and capacitor on the Nightmare?


Cap has always been a problem on the NM. There are a few ways around it - XL-ASB or a cap booster, depending on your preference.


Maybe baltec was right and I wait until they hit SiSi.


I agree. He's a wise man, by his posts.


I wouldn't say wise, I belive that megathrons belong in frigate gangs.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#1168 - 2014-04-23 00:09:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I wouldn't say wise, I belive that megathrons belong in frigate gangs.


Even wise men have bizzare quirks.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1169 - 2014-04-23 00:11:28 UTC
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1170 - 2014-04-23 00:13:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

I wouldn't say wise, I belive that megathrons belong in frigate gangs.


If the boat fits.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1171 - 2014-04-23 00:31:21 UTC
On a slightly related note.

What was the story about people were being banned for perma shield repping sentries in missions a few years back ?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1172 - 2014-04-23 00:47:07 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
On a slightly related note.

What was the story about people were being banned for perma shield repping sentries in missions a few years back ?


Dont recall this one.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1173 - 2014-04-23 00:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
baltec1 wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
On a slightly related note.

What was the story about people were being banned for perma shield repping sentries in missions a few years back ?


Dont recall this one.


long, quite old, thread here

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360

The only CCP response was there is more to it than meets the eye :D
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1174 - 2014-04-23 00:56:43 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
On a slightly related note.

What was the story about people were being banned for perma shield repping sentries in missions a few years back ?


Dont recall this one.


long, quite old, thread here

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360

The only CCP response was there is more to it than meets the eye :D


Pretty sure that what they were doing falls under what's discussed on this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142098
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1175 - 2014-04-23 01:07:09 UTC
Yea, your safe to rep your drones. AFK grinding isk 23.5/7 will get you a ban.
Euripedies
Hot Droppin Cherry Poppers
#1176 - 2014-04-23 02:24:37 UTC
Rattlesnake bonus doesn't sit well with me. The fancy talk about how two drones are as good as five isn't working for me. I keep thinking that if I lose one, half my drone DPs is gone instead of only one fifth of my DPs.

And missile bonus? wtf What about the drones! Tracking, range, that sort of thing.

The Machariel is awesome. looks like it will stay that way.

Although for lvl iv missions the mighty Vargur is without equal. It is the proverbial hot knife thru butter.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1177 - 2014-04-23 02:27:55 UTC
Euripedies wrote:
Rattlesnake bonus doesn't sit well with me. The fancy talk about how two drones are as good as five isn't working for me. I keep thinking that if I lose one, half my drone DPs is gone instead of only one fifth of my DPs.

And missile bonus? wtf What about the drones! Tracking, range, that sort of thing.

The Machariel is awesome. looks like it will stay that way.

Although for lvl iv missions the mighty Vargur is without equal. It is the proverbial hot knife thru butter.
So from your complaints about the RS, it sounds like you want a domi. You should just get a domi.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#1178 - 2014-04-23 02:33:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Voidstar
Euripedies wrote:
Rattlesnake bonus doesn't sit well with me. The fancy talk about how two drones are as good as five isn't working for me. I keep thinking that if I lose one, half my drone DPs is gone instead of only one fifth of my DPs.

And missile bonus? wtf What about the drones! Tracking, range, that sort of thing.

The Machariel is awesome. looks like it will stay that way.

Although for lvl iv missions the mighty Vargur is without equal. It is the proverbial hot knife thru butter.


Indeed. This is why I feel the bonus on the Rattlesnake needs to be increased to similar levels of additional performance over other weight class Drone ships. We are suffering the full drawback of the superdrone concept but getting little in the form of its benefit as it was applied to the smaller hulls. Or, bonusing smaller drones and increasing the bay to return some of the flexibility drones usually enjoy. Simply breaking even in performance is not enough considering the increased vunerability the superdrone concept creates.

Losing half your DPS for a moment is not so bad when each drone is clocking in at somewhere around 3/4 the DPS of a standard droneboat.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1179 - 2014-04-23 02:37:07 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
Euripedies wrote:
Rattlesnake bonus doesn't sit well with me. The fancy talk about how two drones are as good as five isn't working for me. I keep thinking that if I lose one, half my drone DPs is gone instead of only one fifth of my DPs.

And missile bonus? wtf What about the drones! Tracking, range, that sort of thing.

The Machariel is awesome. looks like it will stay that way.

Although for lvl iv missions the mighty Vargur is without equal. It is the proverbial hot knife thru butter.


Indeed. This is why I feel the bonus on the Rattlesnake needs to be increased to similar levels of additional performance over other weight class Drone ships. We are suffering the full drawback of the superdrone concept but getting little in the form of its benefit as it was applied to the smaller hulls. Or, bonusing smaller drones and increasing the bay to return some of the flexibility drones usually enjoy. Simply breaking even in performance is not enough considering the increased vunerability the superdrone concept creates.

I don't know if I can agree. Breaking even in drone performance is true, but that is aside huge gains in missile performance. It seems like it's asking too much to have both the drone boat cake and the missile boat cake. Taking a hit to each seems a good meeting point.
stoneageman TOG
security services
#1180 - 2014-04-23 03:00:55 UTC
nobody seems to have noticed 1/4 of the rattlesnake cpu is gone..