Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It would be much nicer with a damage bonus rather than an extra launcher, losing that drone link hurts. Sort of defeats the buff.

And quoting comment earlier :-


" makes you slowboat 20-30km after a mjd until you can engage with drones "


Hopefully there's something with the new fittings that are promised for the summer that can allow this to be worked around? Otherwise it could be an issue. It would be a shame if the extra launcher gets unused/not fitted, as then the ship overall will have been nerfed, not buffed. The rattlesnake really didn't need nerfing.

Plus 25km drone range bonus in the stats to replace missile velocity bonus would fix that nicely.
It will allow the ship to operate at 100km with all highs used (1dla and 5 launchers) and wardens. Rather than with only 50% of it's capabilities.

CCP Rise, I'm curious about the rationale behind the agility nerf on the Mach. I'm not really displeased with any of the changes, in fact, I look forward to flying all of these ships post change. I'm just wondering why the Mach needed one of the things that made it unique and fun to fly nerfed?

As a side note, you'll be happy to know that I fly the Mach and I'm really not bothered that it has 7 guns, not 6 or 8...

As with all of the other Gurista ships, it's only meant to field a couple of highly bonused drones, not a full flight.

Rattlesnake full flight is now 2 superdrones, the damage is the same as before and much much tougher to kill.
It gets an extra launcher in exchange for losing up to 25km off your drone control range (launcher takes the place of a drone link augmentor) and a missile damage bonus too! Frigates are an issue as Lights and mediums are unbonused so you best kill them at range, quickly.

But apparently, if nothing changes it is a medium range cruise missile sentry boat?

So Mjd would be needed purely for escape i guess. As if a few frigates gets through you are pretty borked otherwise.

It can work, sort of, but is that the plan?

That would be a real shame, the character of the ship is really nice,
Previously the drone damage and application was acceptable, a little less so after the omni changes, but still sort of bearable, but it needed a buff to make it comparable with other ships of it's class.

2 drones or 5 for same damage? Why not? No problem with that.
Lights and mediums becoming unbonused?? Oops well we can work around it I guess.
Losing 25km of drone range in order to use missiles? Ah, well there's your problem!
Missile bonus or use drones?? Hmm the choice leaves one with less than before it seems.

Initially very excited, after looking deeper, not so much.
We will need to run the numbers in depth, but it is beginning to seem as if one is better off fitting for missile damage and application and almost ignoring the drones altogether. But does that not leave us no better off than before?

If so, your idea makes sense, Pity, the Rattlesnake had character.

Not really. It's a hybrid platform anyway...

So what are you saying, that 5 unbonused light drones are suddenly unable to deal with a few frigates?

No what I am saying is that you have 25km less range and time to shoot them in and if you fail, it is harder and takes longer to kill them, If you are overwhelmed and you MJD away, then you have to wait for 25*10 seconds (over two minutes) burning towards them , before you can reengage them with your sentries.

Of course you can kill them eventually, but it's Not exactly improving gameplay is it?

Possibly because it is a hybrid drone ship?
Sure we can fit for missile damage and adapt, by ignoring the drones.
But let's be honest, CCP rise is looking to see where we want this ship to go, missile or drone or hybrid, and if we do not point out what we see is missing then we deserve all we get.

So great passive shield tank missile boat? Or great passive shield tank drone boat, or meh hybrid. (Only due to loss of drone range, great hybrid otherwise with lots of choices to be made in fittings.)

It is more an issue that if you use the MJD you are out of range more often than not with the loss of control range.
The frigate issue can be dealt with, not a big problem, but certainly a negative point in the overall balance of the ship, the real issue is that the character of the ship is significantly altered, that is not automatically a problem, but it is something to take into account, and the buff to missiles, directly effects it's abilities as a drone boat, and if all is taken into account, if you take advantage of the missile buff, you lose drone capability, if you do not, you lose capability. So the rattlesnake needed a buff to make it comparable, it is less of a buff than appeared initially.

If 25 Km drone control range was built into the bonuses, then the rattlesnake will gain the missile buff and will only have lost the ability to field 7.5 effective lights or mediums, and the loss of tracking and range in the new omnidirectional links,the cap use of the omnis is dealable with.

That is perfectly acceptable and will then be the overall buff that was needed.