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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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RON W
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#301 - 2014-04-14 18:17:49 UTC
nice all the guristas ships apart for the worm are screwed over well done *slow claps*
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#302 - 2014-04-14 18:20:06 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
In market news, the Rattlesnake, previously selling for between 410 and 430 million isk, is now battling between price spikes and undercutting at around 610 mil.

The market has spoken.



DAMN IT RISE, you know not to do Battleship threads before I get home, you cost me isk. I'm filling a support ticket for reimbursement!!!

Well, after I head down to Blood Raider sapce and start farmin me some 'Snake BPCs lol.


Do you mean UP to Guristas space? P


Crap, in my frenzy I was thinking about the Bhaal lol.

OMG, now i'm pissed. I lived in Tribute for more than a year when I was in NCDot and would get Rattlesnake BPCs and be like 'meh', then Goons kicked us out. The loss of Tribute is now stinging my ISK wallets.

In conclusion, grrr Goons.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#303 - 2014-04-14 18:20:23 UTC
RON W wrote:
nice all the guristas ships apart for the worm are screwed over well done *slow claps*


And how is the rattle screwed over?
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#304 - 2014-04-14 18:23:34 UTC
Sentry/cruise rattlesnakes
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#305 - 2014-04-14 18:25:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
RON W wrote:
nice all the guristas ships apart for the worm are screwed over well done *slow claps*


And how is the rattle screwed over?

them quality of life changes man, super-sentries , harsh ,harsh times.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#306 - 2014-04-14 18:32:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
In market news, the Rattlesnake, previously selling for between 410 and 430 million isk, is now battling between price spikes and undercutting at around 610 mil.

The market has spoken.


so what the end mean price will be around 800m taking into account time and supply

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#307 - 2014-04-14 18:33:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
RON W wrote:
nice all the guristas ships apart for the worm are screwed over well done *slow claps*


And how is the rattle screwed over?

Their argument is that now that they don't have a 400 m^3 drone bay, they can't carry 11 flights of mining drones, or whatever they were carrying before, in addition to their main flight of sentries.

I guess they don't have mobile depots where they live.

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#308 - 2014-04-14 18:35:51 UTC
I am amused at how people think the Rattler is getting better. Sure, the dps increase is nice, but they're forgetting the fact that with the new drone bonuses, It's completely vulnerable to getting kited It doesn't even have access to mediums, and while it's technically feasible to put rapid heavy launchers on it, that's entirely impractical as people will likely be using cruise missiles all the time, specifically in a pve setting. So basically if you get dropped on and the mission rats can't take them out, you're screwed.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#309 - 2014-04-14 18:37:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Catherine Laartii wrote:
I am amused at how people think the Rattler is getting better. Sure, the dps increase is nice, but they're forgetting the fact that with the new drone bonuses, It's completely vulnerable to getting kited It doesn't even have access to mediums, and while it's technically feasible to put rapid heavy launchers on it, that's entirely impractical as people will likely be using cruise missiles all the time, specifically in a pve setting. So basically if you get dropped on and the mission rats can't take them out, you're screwed.


I too, kite when I fight sentry boats with launcher hard points

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Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#310 - 2014-04-14 18:38:32 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Alim Omaristos wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
AleAlejandro wrote:
Straight up buff to the NM <3


Shield incursion runners are dancing in the streets.
Armour incursion runners are now looking at dumping any laser boat but the Nightmare.
But what about it's impact on null sec... where is all your Grr everything except Highsec drivel. What is going on in this world.

Too many people in this thread don't understand basic maths. Bonuses are multiplied and not added. (1.25 * 2 = 2.5)

Yeah. It's almost as bad as people thinking the 275% bonus to drones means 5.5 effective drones. The lot of them should go back and take grade 8 math.
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#311 - 2014-04-14 18:38:53 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
I am amused at how people think the Rattler is getting better. Sure, the dps increase is nice, but they're forgetting the fact that with the new drone bonuses, It's completely vulnerable to getting kited It doesn't even have access to mediums, and while it's technically feasible to put rapid heavy launchers on it, that's entirely impractical as people will likely be using cruise missiles all the time, specifically in a pve setting. So basically if you get dropped on and the mission rats can't take them out, you're screwed.


I too, kite when I fight sentry boats with launcher hard points
Get outta here with that sense. Ain't got no room for that **** here.

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#312 - 2014-04-14 18:40:06 UTC
Gosti Kahanid wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
RATTLESNAKE

Role Bonus:
275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity)

Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225)

Maybe I'm missing something, but you are reducing to two heavy / sentry drones.

Why?

To me this is a nerf, as instead of recalling one drone that is being attacked and losing 1/5 damage, now we lose 50%.


Look at it from the other side. Instead of only 1/5 of your drones, you can now repair 1/2 of your drones with a single RR and don´t have to retraw. Also they can now whitstand more damage before the die, so more time to react


It's still going to be utter sh*t for pvp
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#313 - 2014-04-14 18:41:56 UTC
So does this still mean that Incursion fleets will not want Rattlesnakes? And honestly, why choose a Rattlesnake over a Domi? Wouldn't a Domi's application bonuses be superior for putting the dps down?

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New Eden Tech Support
#314 - 2014-04-14 18:43:35 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:

It's still going to be utter sh*t for pvp

cos perma-tanked super-sentries are completely useless.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#315 - 2014-04-14 18:44:23 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
I am amused at how people think the Rattler is getting better. Sure, the dps increase is nice, but they're forgetting the fact that with the new drone bonuses, It's completely vulnerable to getting kited It doesn't even have access to mediums, and while it's technically feasible to put rapid heavy launchers on it, that's entirely impractical as people will likely be using cruise missiles all the time, specifically in a pve setting. So basically if you get dropped on and the mission rats can't take them out, you're screwed.


1. you can use 5 medium drones including ecm or even 5 light

2. its call a mobile fitting depot

3. get friends.

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#316 - 2014-04-14 18:45:08 UTC
Maximus Andendare wrote:
So does this still mean that Incursion fleets will not want Rattlesnakes? And honestly, why choose a Rattlesnake over a Domi? Wouldn't a Domi's application bonuses be superior for putting the dps down?


no, because a dominix's highslots don't really give you anything in silly pve, while a rattlesnake's highslots give you loads of damage. also just saying, pve should get no consideration when designing or balancing ships imo.
Dave Stark
#317 - 2014-04-14 18:45:50 UTC
Maximus Andendare wrote:
So does this still mean that Incursion fleets will not want Rattlesnakes? And honestly, why choose a Rattlesnake over a Domi? Wouldn't a Domi's application bonuses be superior for putting the dps down?


they never wanted rattlesnakes to begin with.

they still won't; it uses missiles.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#318 - 2014-04-14 18:47:59 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:

It's still going to be utter sh*t for pvp

cos perma-tanked super-sentries are completely useless.


I suppose I could see it being used as a super-sniper. The dps output is going to be absurd, and assuming its drones don't get jammed in a fight (TD'd by crucifier, sent etc) it might be fairly viable for bombardment at range. I guess after seeing some good points I'll reverse my opinion after being so jaded on the gila rebalance.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#319 - 2014-04-14 18:51:47 UTC
Maximus Andendare wrote:
So does this still mean that Incursion fleets will not want Rattlesnakes? And honestly, why choose a Rattlesnake over a Domi? Wouldn't a Domi's application bonuses be superior for putting the dps down?


afaik

domi

5 x 1.5 = 7.5 effective drones + 6 turrets but has a bonus to damage application

snake:

2 x 3.75 = 7.5 plus the 5 missile * 1.5 = 7.5 effective missiles.





hmm now that you mention it does seem a tad low for missing the tracking/optimal range bonus for a 1.5 more turret/missile



now if that missile bonus was a generic rate of fire bonus or if they upped the snake role bonus to 300 % that in theory make up for the lack of optimal range and tracking for drones.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#320 - 2014-04-14 18:51:53 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:

It's still going to be utter sh*t for pvp

cos perma-tanked super-sentries are completely useless.


I suppose I could see it being used as a super-sniper. The dps output is going to be absurd, and assuming its drones don't get jammed in a fight (TD'd by crucifier, sent etc) it might be fairly viable for bombardment at range. I guess after seeing some good points I'll reverse my opinion after being so jaded on the gila rebalance.


hopefully my sarcasm senses are giving a false positive here.

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