Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, what i assume is that he/she/it is upset about is the inability to play mach in a rattle with torps and lights/meds.

The skill and fit changes you would have to do and slight playstyle change it would require to continue with this approach to l4s, i mean being upset by them, is somewhat valid.

Even if you can argue that it is nearly irrelevant in the grand scale of things :)

Just use the mjd sparingly, stoic assumes quite fast missions for the warp speed to be a clear advanatage :)

PvE playstyles are not inconsequential.

That does not stop TempRonLin from being wrong about everything though. The Rattlesnake is in a far better place even for his tiny niche of a playstyle, he/she/it will just not admit to being wrong about anything, but if cornered in one their many mistaken and poorly thought out points in a clearly losing position there will be a claim that the point was missed and the argument changed to another poorly thought position.

All the more so since from what I've seen a Gecko can tank entire mission rooms on its own. So AFK pilots should rejoice in the ability for a single drone to out tank their **** fit battleship.

You all still replying to Lin? Why? His credibility is shot, which takes the fun out of replying to him, IMO. At this point he's just a troll that's regurgitating the same arguments, being deliberately vague about context (e.g. making a claim heavies versus frigates so he can then "zing" any counter argument by claiming he was talking about PvP or PvE instead,) talking down to people, taking (dev blog!) quotes out of context, etc..

Anyway, I'm curious as to how the Rattlesnake will do in PvP. Personally, I'm betting that we'll see a few minor tweaks/buffs (CPU, maybe drone control range buff, and/or a damage application buff) before all is said and done. Meaning, gunships are still better and split weapons still put too much pressure on limited module slots.

This whole ******* thread is because a select little clique of missionbears think that they shouldn't have to change anything ever, even when every other demographic - missionbear, PvPer, industrialist and marketeer alike - have had to change and adapt multiple times.

Pathetic.

I cannot wait for someone with a colored tag to come through and say "this thread has served its purpose" and lock it.

Indeed. Med grade, I cant justify the cost of the high grades as they only add .5 more.

The reason for the battleship is the range, tank, firepower and the fact that you can use all the rigs for warp speed without sacrificing tank. With a warp speed of 5AU or over you are as fast as a frigate which makes a massive difference. Not even T3s can pull off all the things you need to make this work. The isktar for example is/was earning 50 mil/hr, the mach will net you 80 mil/hr (level 3s).

My challange is to get the rattle as close to the mach as I can.

I'd just like to mosy in on this 157-page thread and say that a) I've been a Rattlesnake pilot since almost day one. (more like day 30, but you know what I mean) and b) I freakin' love the changes. This is no eft-warrioring, or theoretical speculation. I used the Rattlesnake all the time before the patch, and I've used it in 20-30 lvl 4's after the patch, and I love it it even more than I did before.

First of all, why are so many fit's I've seen active tanked? Who active tanks a Rattler?!? Stick three purgers on there (or three t2 extenders if you're like me and get your jollies from seeing ridiculously high shield hp numbers) and you can tank the universe! I've been blowing through missions so quickly it is crazy - I need to keep max targets locked at all times because every few seconds something explodes - whether it is two frigates/cruisers at a time with my sentries or a battleship with my new uber-cruise. Speaking of the the missiles, I only need to stock thermal and kinetic missiles now, and that's awesome! Therm is better against the EM/Therm-weak rats than EM, and Kin is better against Angels now thanks to the Rattle's awesome damage bonus.

And don't get me started an using a Gecko! If I need to slowboat to a gate, instead of dropping sentries and a mobile depot like I used to, killing everything then refitting for prop/cap, I just deploy my little gecko buddy while slowboating to the gate. Battleships, cruisers, even elite freakin' frigs fall to a Gecko in a couple hits! No, you don't need to web/tp anything, with the three unscripted omni's I was using for my sentries, Gecko's can track and hit pretty much anything short of maybe those pesky little spider drones. And guess what, Hobgoblins still work just fine for those! I haven't even noticed a difference in light drone performance now that the hull bonus doesn't apply to them - with four DDA's they are just fine!

Back to the Gecko - with the Rattler bonus, mine has over 3k shields, around 32 hp/sec recharge, and does well over 700 dps on its own. Last night a Gecko did 4,473 damage in one hit. Granted, it was against a structure with no resists, but still - nearly 4,500 damage FROM A SINGLE DRONE. That's amazing... Yeah the ship is slow - it has always been and always will be slow. If I want to zoom around the battlefield I use my Mach. But when I want to clear missions, I use my Rattlesnake,

You guys keep complaining all you want about the Rattler, I'm gonna fly mine until the servers go dark.

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- Agent

If you ask Kaarous, he will tell you that if you passive shield tank a Rattlesnake, you are doing it wrong.



These kids are so ridiculous with their pve-only fits that still fall far short of the ease and mission clearing capability of a mach.

You can't take your Rattlesnake into low and null because you can't kill even kill a 500k isk Incursus anymore without totally gimping yourself against every other size of ship in the game due to loss of bonuses on lights, missile specialization, and loss of the versatility of a 400m3 drone bay.

1 or 2 drones are far easier combat than 5. Other ships are more versatile and do higher dps with less micromanagement.