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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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XxRTEKxX
256th Shadow Wing
Phantom-Recon
#3101 - 2014-06-05 18:16:02 UTC
Before Kronos, Rattlesnakes were selling for almost 600m. Now they're selling for closer to 538m. Im glad I sold my two Rattlesnakes when they were still at 600m.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#3102 - 2014-06-05 18:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
baltec1 wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:




Frigs in missions aren't the issue here.

Think before you post, please.


Frigs in PvP have been shown to also die to heavies.


Roll

Battleships have also been shown to die to light drones.

You aren't really saying anything. Its amusing how desperate your arguments have become, having been shut down on so many occasions. Smile

The dev blog is correct unless someone can prove otherwise. Heavy drones will have an even harder time than pre-patch when dealing with fast ships due to their decreased tracking. Their speed is 400 m per sec at best and they do not fire when their MWD is engaged. It is very easy for faster ships to mitigate their damage.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3103 - 2014-06-05 18:17:45 UTC
XxRTEKxX wrote:
Before Kronos, Rattlesnakes were selling for almost 600m. Now they're selling for closer to 538m. Im glad I sold my two Rattlesnakes when they were still at 600m.


Before the announced changes they were selling for 400 mil.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3104 - 2014-06-05 18:19:39 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:




Frigs in missions aren't the issue here.

Think before you post, please.


Frigs in PvP have been shown to also die to heavies.


Roll

Battleships have also been shown to die to light drones.

You aren't really saying anything.

The dev blog is correct unless someone can prove otherwise. Heavy drones will have an even harder time than pre-patch when dealing with fast ships due to their decreased tracking. Their speed is 400 m per sec at best and they do not fire when their MWD is engaged. It is very easy for faster ships to mitigate their damage.



Nine bombers and a pilgrim dead in under 3 minutes to geckos from a carrier whos pilot wasn't even at his computer.

They are working just fine.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#3105 - 2014-06-05 18:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
baltec1 wrote:
XxRTEKxX wrote:
Before Kronos, Rattlesnakes were selling for almost 600m. Now they're selling for closer to 538m. Im glad I sold my two Rattlesnakes when they were still at 600m.


Before the announced changes they were selling for 400 mil.


The price increase is easily explained by the hype predictions after the worm and gila were released. When people saw what they were getting the price has dropped dramatically and now that the patch has hit, even further still.

Fact remains they are still by far the cheapest and least purchased pirate faction battleships . If they were any good people would be hoarding these things.

The market has spoken. The new Rattlesnake sucks and the people who spent so much time training for it, for a 400m3 done bay, bonuses on all drones and missile velocity bonus got completely **** on. Way to go CCP RiseUgh

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3106 - 2014-06-05 18:26:06 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
XxRTEKxX wrote:
Before Kronos, Rattlesnakes were selling for almost 600m. Now they're selling for closer to 538m. Im glad I sold my two Rattlesnakes when they were still at 600m.


Before the announced changes they were selling for 400 mil.


The price increase is easily explained by the hype predictions after the worm and gila were released. When people saw what they were getting the price has dropped dramatically and now that the patch has hit, even further still.

Fact remains they are still by far the cheapest and least purchased pirate faction battleships . If they were any good people would be hoarding these things.

The market has spoken. The new Rattlesnake sucks.Ugh


The fact that we have flooded the market with almost a decades worth of hulls of course wont have any impactRoll
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#3107 - 2014-06-05 18:33:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
XxRTEKxX wrote:
Before Kronos, Rattlesnakes were selling for almost 600m. Now they're selling for closer to 538m. Im glad I sold my two Rattlesnakes when they were still at 600m.


Before the announced changes they were selling for 400 mil.


The price increase is easily explained by the hype predictions after the worm and gila were released. When people saw what they were getting the price has dropped dramatically and now that the patch has hit, even further still.

Fact remains they are still by far the cheapest and least purchased pirate faction battleships . If they were any good people would be hoarding these things.

The market has spoken. The new Rattlesnake sucks.Ugh


The fact that we have flooded the market with almost a decades worth of hulls of course wont have any impactRoll


If they were any good you would be hoarding these things, not trying to get rid of them as fast as you can because of a speculation bubble.

The market has spoken no matter mow much you jump up and down screaming the same delusions over and over.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3108 - 2014-06-05 18:36:23 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:


If they were any good you would be hoarding these things, not trying to get rid of them as fast as you can because of a speculation bubble.

The market has spoken no matter mow much you jump up and down screaming the same delusions over and over.


Why would we hoard them?

We own the space in which they drop and we will never have any doctrines involving pirate ships. We have years worth of stock to get rid of.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3109 - 2014-06-05 18:49:50 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:

The market has spoken no matter mow much you jump up and down screaming the same delusions over and over.


And now you've exposed yourself for having no clue how a market behaves when people drop ten thousand stock on something that used to move a dozen per day.

The fact that it's above 390, which is where it was the day before this thread was announced, is just a testament to how incredibly good the ship is.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3110 - 2014-06-05 19:50:22 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:

You earlier said that if you fit a Rattlesnake for a passive fit, that you are playing it wrong. Roll


Context. I think it could be successfully argued that if you are trying to max the output of 2 weapon systems, so that they surpass a specialised ship (which is the whole point), WHILE wasting slots on a passive fit, you are indeed doing it wrong.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#3111 - 2014-06-05 20:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Barton Breau wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

You earlier said that if you fit a Rattlesnake for a passive fit, that you are playing it wrong. Roll


Context. I think it could be successfully argued that if you are trying to max the output of 2 weapon systems, so that they surpass a specialised ship (which is the whole point), WHILE wasting slots on a passive fit, you are indeed doing it wrong.


Rattlesnake is the best battleship for passive tanking. Anyone who says you are wrong to fit it for passive tanking clearly doesn't know what the they are talking about.


Nobody was talking about maxing the output of 2 weapon systems. Your comment about context is totally misplaced.

think before you post.

The price of the Rattlesnake just keeps going down folks. That speculation bubble has burst and It has dropped quite a lot since the OP in this thread and has dropped even more so now with the release of Koronos. It keeps going down as we speak.

The clowns can deny it all they want and jump up and down and scream but the the market has spoken. The new Rattlesnake is still, by far, the least desirable pirate faction battleship.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3112 - 2014-06-05 20:09:46 UTC
[Rattlesnake, Level 3]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Large Micro Jump Drive
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II


Berserker II x2
Ogre II x2
Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x2

1700+ DPS close, just shy of 1500 long, 5.06 AU/s. Stoicfaux I might be able to give your mach a run for its money afterallTwisted
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3113 - 2014-06-05 20:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
Priestess Lin wrote:


Rattlesnake is the best battleship for passive tanking. Anyone who says you are wrong to fit it for passive tanking clearly doesn't know what the they are talking about.


Nobody was talking about maxing the output of 2 weapon systems. Your comment about context is totally misplaced.

think before you post.

The price of the Rattlesnake just keeps going down folks. That speculation bubble has burst and It has dropped quite a lot since the OP in this thread and has dropped even more so now with the release of Koronos. It keeps going down as we speak.

The market has spoken. The clowns were wrong.


Someone who uses blanket, anecdotal or ad hominem statements does not get to lecture other people about thinking, sorry.

Try better and people may take your issue more seriously.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3114 - 2014-06-05 20:17:01 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:

Try better and people may take your issue more seriously.


I still won't. Every last point they have made is a lie or a non issue. Even if they knock off the incredible intellectual dishonesty and the personal attacks, the fact remains that their argument is inherently worthless.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3115 - 2014-06-05 20:19:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


1700+ DPS close, just shy of 1500 long, 5.06 AU/s. Stoicfaux I might be able to give your mach a run for its money afterallTwisted


Do you think not counting in reloads (goes down to 1300dps) in a pve fit is wise?
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#3116 - 2014-06-05 20:19:51 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:

Someone who uses blanket, anecdotal or ad hominem statements does not get to lecture other people about thinking, sorry.

Try better and people may take your issue more seriously.


just admit you are wrong instead of making baseless ad hominem attacks.

you obviously can't argue. You ****** up. you thuoght wrong. Deal with it and move on like a man instead of embarrassing yourself even further.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Nalarin
#3117 - 2014-06-05 20:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalarin
Priestess Lin wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
You earlier said that if you fit a Rattlesnake for a passive fit, that you are playing it wrong. Roll
Context. I think it could be successfully argued that if you are trying to max the output of 2 weapon systems, so that they surpass a specialised ship (which is the whole point), WHILE wasting slots on a passive fit, you are indeed doing it wrong.
Rattlesnake is the best battleship for passive tanking. Anyone who says you are wrong to fit it for passive tanking clearly doesn't know what the they are talking about.

Nobody was talking about maxing the output of 2 weapon systems. Your comment about context is totally misplaced.

think before you post.

Priestess Lin wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
Someone who uses blanket, anecdotal or ad hominem statements does not get to lecture other people about thinking, sorry.

Try better and people may take your issue more seriously.
just admit you are wrong instead of making baseless ad hominem attacks.

you obviously can't argue. You ****** up. you thuoght wrong. Deal with it and move on like a man instead of embarrassing yourself even further.

So, when are you posting your fit?

I mean, since the people who claim the active tanked Rattlesnakes work better post their fits, so surely the most viable way to prove them wrong is to post a passive fit that works better!

Calling them no-life clowns who live on the forum have no life or credibility is not even an argument, just ..."baseless ad hominem attacks"?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3118 - 2014-06-05 20:24:22 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


1700+ DPS close, just shy of 1500 long, 5.06 AU/s. Stoicfaux I might be able to give your mach a run for its money afterallTwisted


Do you think not counting in reloads (goes down to 1300dps) in a pve fit is wise?


Almost all missions are done before you reload in a raven, reloading in a rattle isn't going to be an issue.Blink
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3119 - 2014-06-05 20:32:30 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:

Someone who uses blanket, anecdotal or ad hominem statements does not get to lecture other people about thinking, sorry.

Try better and people may take your issue more seriously.


just admit you are wrong instead of making baseless ad hominem attacks.

you obviously can't argue. You ****** up. you thuoght wrong. Deal with it and move on like a man instead of embarrassing yourself even further.


No matter what people tell you after 10 beers, just repeating stuff more loudly, stating that the other person is wrong without any explanation and adding baits is not arguing.

Overall you have a somewhat passable point, but the avenue you chose to pursue it by does you disservice.

If you feel this is an insult, or anything else i said, then i fear it is something i cannot help you with and you will have to come to terms with it by yourself.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3120 - 2014-06-05 20:36:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


1700+ DPS close, just shy of 1500 long, 5.06 AU/s. Stoicfaux I might be able to give your mach a run for its money afterallTwisted


Do you think not counting in reloads (goes down to 1300dps) in a pve fit is wise?


Almost all missions are done before you reload in a raven, reloading in a rattle isn't going to be an issue.Blink


Fair enuf, could be interesting.