Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Firstly It is a far worse drone system than we have now.

No bonused lights. ewar drones,mediums, all 50% nerfed.
And we get fewer drones, and no bonuses to make up for the disadvantages.
(Nothing wrong with fewer drones if there is something to balance it out, lower signature? Higher orbit speed? Built in ewar? )
Let alone the lack of any boost as was indicated, clearly at fanfest, is their intention.

Personally I would like to see a real boost to the tracking, orbit speed, and damage to heavies on the rattlesnake.
Keeping the smaller drone bonuses would make many happy, but if the heavies get the required boost then that is less important.
Sentries? They are a matter of preference, since the omni nerf, if you want to apply damage with sentries, theres only the ishtar and dominix available.
Really Good heavy drones, probably suit the rattlesnake, with weak heavies, then why bother with it at all.

The geckho is a good example of what stats should be applied to heavy drones on the rattlesnake.
CCP can see it is popular, and will make the rattlesnake popular, for the first time, ever.
If you had two geckos on this ship, even without kronos boosts, it would be fine, T1 dominix does drones better though,

So arthur, I think that the rattlesnake should get a 50mbps drone bay with 10% bonus to drone damage, tracking and hitpoints.
In addition to a 275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage, and hitpoints.


Regarding an additional low slot.
That would be a good option, as then there is a choice for either an additional damage mod or one of the new kronos mods (whatever they might be) not going to get anyones blood pumping, not really headline material, but a solid improvement for all that.

The proposed Kronos Rattlesnake is like being promised a new age, with a new king, ruler of the drones, and when turning up at the coronation finding a mouthy teenage with a burger king crown instead.

Ditch the pretender, the old king was not a bad king, he just needed some better drones at his disposal.

So how about this.
RATTLESNAKE

Gallente Battleship Bonus:
10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage, plus 10% bonus to drone damage, tracking, and hitpoints

Caldari Battleship Bonus:
4% bonus to all shield resistances

Role Bonus:
275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints and 50% bonus to heavy drone (warp AND non warp) velocity (was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity)


Slot layout: 6H, 7M, 6L; 0 turrets, 5 launchers(+1)
Fittings: 10000 PWG, 710 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 12750 / 8940(-358) / 9960
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5350(+38) / 1154000ms / 4.59
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 94 / .128 / 99300000 / 18.45s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 200(-200)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 30
Signature radius: 450(-10)

It's only because it's a faction drone. Same as faction weapons not getting specialization boosts.

due to the speed and tracking of these drones i think you need to take a look at them compared to all the other drones.

Which i believe it will beat all other heavy drones for DPS even post changes.
Ogres are slow meaning the damage application is still poor due to travel time, the gecko sent 20km will get extra dps away before the Ogres are in range.

Personally i think the gecko was designed for the Eos, you can fit 2 in the ship, they go wkd fast & track well. from the T2 setup i would expect 640DPS from just drones on the Eos. With faction mods it will be more. The rattlesnake will enjoy them aswell depending on the situation.

I believe the Rattlesnake should hit just shy of 1k dps with ogres and faction mods so about 900ish with a gecko

So are you just trying to make this the only ship ever flown by anyone?
You cannot have so many bonuses on this ship.

I have an idea of a bonus that people might like. to be applied in the role. how about "All heavy drones launched from this ship gain a warp drive and will follow the launching ship in warp." this way it gives it something highly unique compared to the domi/ishtar making it like a mini carrier.

Ok reworded to make it cleaner.

So how about this.
RATTLESNAKE

Gallente Battleship Bonus:
10% bonus to drone damage, tracking,speed and hitpoints

Caldari Battleship Bonus:
4% bonus to all shield resistances

Role Bonus:
50% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage. (Was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity)

Ship Rebalance bonus
275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints.
(Note 50mbps bandwidth overall damage unchanged)


Slot layout: 6H, 7M, 6L; 0 turrets, 5 launchers(+1)
Fittings: 10000 PWG, 710 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 12750 / 8940(-358) / 9960
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5350(+38) / 1154000ms / 4.59
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 94 / .128 / 99300000 / 18.45s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 200(-200)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 30
Signature radius: 450(-10)


Clearer?

Done. See above.
The ship rebalancing bonus is to take account of something they have never done before, so naturally there is no precedent.

A ship rebalance bonus is not going to be a thing CCP will use. and your still double bonusing the heavy drones, which makes them OP. you have to reduce the big bonus to 150% to make it correct. otherwise you are effectively having 1.3k dps from heavy drones, before adding in missile DPS.

Ok
No it is not a mistake
Yes I am showing the heavies double bonused, that is intentional, the ship rebalancing bonus is ONLY there because ccp are doing something unique, never done before. They said clearly in the keynote that they intended the guristas ships to have increased drone damage, if they feel it is overpowered, then the missile side can be looked at, however they said the ship was underpowered and needed a buff. if you believe that makes a pirate ship overpowered, then you are entitled to that opinion.
Regarding hero drones This is a major, game changing unique event.
They can call it whatever they please. One cannot demand they call it a role bonus because that is what we expect, as that is where changes usually go.
Extreme changes demand a different mindset.

Sorry? 50% bonus = 150 total not 200 (double)
Say damage is 500 50% bonus is 250 total 750. 750 is nor double 500 The ship balance bonus only restores the status quo.

i'm talking about
"275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints."
and "10% bonus to drone damage, tracking,speed and hitpoints"

first bonus gives 2 heavy/sentry drones after patch hp of 5 heavy/sentry drones pre-patch, so like normal bonuses now (domi,ishtar etc) but second bonus does exactly the same and increases the hp even further.

Dude, you can't be that naive to think ccp would implement a ship that can field drones with total hp 50% more than it's equivalents (domi/ishtar), massive tank with 4% resistance bonus and 1890 dps on top of it.