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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2221 - 2014-05-08 02:16:00 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
If we ever see a means of gaining more of those worked in long term, great. If not, It doesn't seem like a good long term solution, especially for PvP.

I don't think we'll be getting 8 Geckos next week. 6 max, with 4 on the low-side.

Which will be nice, I'm just not sure how that will hold up when people start popping with them. Maybe this will be the next CA-1/2 implant and it's limited (read repeated) release.

And now for a bit of off topic, anyone else looking forward to those Mordu stats? Or worse, have I missed them?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2222 - 2014-05-08 02:24:05 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
And now for a bit of off topic, anyone else looking forward to those Mordu stats? Or worse, have I missed them?

Yep, counting the days...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ele Rebellion
Vertex Armada
No Forks Given
#2223 - 2014-05-08 03:52:13 UTC
So if my math is correct... Rattlesnake is going to do something like 1190 dps with nothing more than a single gecko and 3 DDA IIs.

Add in some Cruise/Torp damage...
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2224 - 2014-05-08 04:00:01 UTC
Ele Rebellion wrote:
So if my math is correct... Rattlesnake is going to do something like 1190 dps with nothing more than a single gecko and 3 DDA IIs.

Add in some Cruise/Torp damage...

Yup. Don't forget that faction DDA's are getting introduced as well, so no doubt a bit more than that.

A question for the number crunchers here though: Now that we know the Gecko isn't getting a speed or damage buff, how does this change the math for the new Rattle with Gecko vs Aug Heavies?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2225 - 2014-05-08 04:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Ele Rebellion wrote:
So if my math is correct... Rattlesnake is going to do something like 1190 dps with nothing more than a single gecko and 3 DDA IIs.

Add in some Cruise/Torp damage...
Nope, at the same time the RS being discussed goes live the gecko gets "nerfed" by the changes to the drone interfacing skill, dropping the theoretical DPS by ~25% of today's numbers with skills.

DPS output will actually be below a pair of ogre II's at max skills.
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2226 - 2014-05-08 04:03:20 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ele Rebellion wrote:
So if my math is correct... Rattlesnake is going to do something like 1190 dps with nothing more than a single gecko and 3 DDA IIs.

Add in some Cruise/Torp damage...
Nope, at the same time the RS being discussed goes live the gecko gets "nerfed" by the changes to the drone interfacing skill, dropping the theoretical DPS by ~25% of today's numbers with skills.

DPS output will actually be below a pair of ogre II's at max skills.

Aaaand I have my answer...

Well crap. What is the purpose then?
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2227 - 2014-05-08 04:20:38 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ele Rebellion wrote:
So if my math is correct... Rattlesnake is going to do something like 1190 dps with nothing more than a single gecko and 3 DDA IIs.

Add in some Cruise/Torp damage...
Nope, at the same time the RS being discussed goes live the gecko gets "nerfed" by the changes to the drone interfacing skill, dropping the theoretical DPS by ~25% of today's numbers with skills.

DPS output will actually be below a pair of ogre II's at max skills.

How are they nerfing it?
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2228 - 2014-05-08 04:41:40 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ele Rebellion wrote:
So if my math is correct... Rattlesnake is going to do something like 1190 dps with nothing more than a single gecko and 3 DDA IIs.

Add in some Cruise/Torp damage...
Nope, at the same time the RS being discussed goes live the gecko gets "nerfed" by the changes to the drone interfacing skill, dropping the theoretical DPS by ~25% of today's numbers with skills.

DPS output will actually be below a pair of ogre II's at max skills.

How are they nerfing it?

By nerfing the Drone Interfacing skill by 50% (and rolling that damage back into drone stats)

It was assumed that Gecko would be getting a proportional buff to everything else to compensate, but apparently it's not. So the Gecko is going to do 25% less damage than we all thought, give or take. That changes the calculations about Gecko/Snake DPS substantially.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2229 - 2014-05-08 04:45:37 UTC
Ravasta Helugo wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ele Rebellion wrote:
So if my math is correct... Rattlesnake is going to do something like 1190 dps with nothing more than a single gecko and 3 DDA IIs.

Add in some Cruise/Torp damage...
Nope, at the same time the RS being discussed goes live the gecko gets "nerfed" by the changes to the drone interfacing skill, dropping the theoretical DPS by ~25% of today's numbers with skills.

DPS output will actually be below a pair of ogre II's at max skills.

How are they nerfing it?

By nerfing the Drone Interfacing skill by 50% (and rolling that damage back into drone stats)

It was assumed that Gecko would be getting a proportional buff to everything else to compensate, but apparently it's not. So the Gecko is going to do 25% less damage than we all thought, give or take. That changes the calculations about Gecko/Snake DPS substantially.

damn. And here i thought my gecko carrier was gonna be awesome
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2230 - 2014-05-08 05:17:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
He's right. We've been hoodwinked…
We're actually getting a NERF to the Gecko with the Kronos update.
Basically whatever damage it's doing now - expect it to drop 6.3%...

Ogre II (pre-Kronos)
• 48 damage, 1.92x amplifier, 2.0x interface, 0.25x heavy drone, 0.10 racial
• (5) * 1.92 * 48 * 2.75 (skills) * 1.5 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 844.9 dps

Ogre II (post-Kronos)
• 64 damage, 1.92x amplifier, 1.5x interface, 0.25x heavy drone, 0.10 racial
• (2) * 1.92 * 64 * 2.0625 (skills) * 3.75 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 844.9 dps (±0)

Gecko (pre-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x interface, 0.25x heavy drone
• (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.5 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 874.8 dps

Gecko (post-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x interface, 0.25x heavy drone
* (1) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 3.75 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 820.1 dps (-6.3%)

Feel free to check my math and point out any errors. FML, this sucks. Evil
My enthusiasm for the new Rattlesnake just flamed out...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2231 - 2014-05-08 05:41:12 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
He's right. We've been hoodwinked…
We're actually getting a NERF to the Gecko with the Kronos update.
Basically whatever damage it's doing now - expect it to drop 6.3%...

Ogre II (pre-Kronos)
• 48 damage, 1.92x amplifier, 2.0x interface, 0.25x heavy drone, 0.10 racial
• (5) * 1.92 * 48 * 2.75 (skills) * 1.5 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 844.9 dps

Ogre II (post-Kronos)
• 64 damage, 1.92x amplifier, 1.5x interface, 0.25x heavy drone, 0.10 racial
• (2) * 1.92 * 64 * 2.0625 (skills) * 3.75 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 844.9 dps (±0)

Gecko (pre-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x interface, 0.25x heavy drone
• (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.5 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 874.8 dps

Gecko (post-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x interface, 0.25x heavy drone
* (1) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 3.75 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 820.1 dps (-6.3%)

Feel free to check my math and point out any errors. FML, this sucks. Evil
My enthusiasm for the new Rattlesnake just flamed out...

Damnit - My gut told me Geckos were too good to be true

The old sayings still hold true -

If something looks and sounds to good to be true, it usually is.

Crap wrapped in pretty paper will only ever be crap wrapped in pretty paper.

My opinions are mine.

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It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2232 - 2014-05-08 05:48:43 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
The old sayings still hold true -
If something looks and sounds to good to be true, it usually is.
Crap wrapped in pretty paper will only ever be crap wrapped in pretty paper.

New Rattlesnake impression… ☁ ⚡

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2233 - 2014-05-08 05:55:09 UTC
Just when I thought this couldn't get any worse, I ran the numbers for a non-bonused hull.
Say hello to a 25% Gecko nerf come Kronos. Why are we unlocking these again? The Gecko is starting to feel like the Dutch Tulip fiasco of 1637...

Gecko (pre-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (2.5x total)
• (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 583.2 dps

Gecko (post-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (1.875 total)
* (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 437.4 daps

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2234 - 2014-05-08 06:00:46 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Just when I thought this couldn't get any worse, I ran the numbers for a non-bonused hull.
Say hello to a 25% Gecko nerf come Kronos. Why are we unlocking these again? The Gecko is starting to feel like the Dutch Tulip fiasco of 1637...

Gecko (pre-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (2.5x total)
• (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 583.2 dps

Gecko (post-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (1.875 total)
* (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 437.4 daps

Yeah, these were the numbers I was running earlier in the thread assuming the bonus wasn't coming, I would have loved to have been wrong on that.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2235 - 2014-05-08 06:03:06 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Yeah, these were the numbers I was running earlier in the thread assuming the bonus wasn't coming, I would have loved to have been wrong on that.

Back to "I hate the Rattlesnake" in 3… 2… 1...

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2236 - 2014-05-08 06:11:41 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
If we ever see a means of gaining more of those worked in long term, great. If not, It doesn't seem like a good long term solution, especially for PvP.

I don't think we'll be getting 8 Geckos next week. 6 max, with 4 on the low-side.

I think you're wrong.. I figure 10% per day before the weekend is all we need to see, and we're ahead of that.. Theres a lot more PVP on weekends than weekdays, likewise mission running.. so I don't see much of an issue hitting at least the first part of all the goals.. and both parts of the mining and science/manufacturing ones will be a cakewalk.


It's a shame these aren't getting buffed too.. I'd like to see them stay on par with max skill T2 Ogre's, at the expense of being more expensive..
Vulfen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2237 - 2014-05-08 07:51:41 UTC
@ CCP Rise/Fozzie

Can you confirm if the gecko will be getting the same changes for kronos as all other drones? or have you just given us a month of super drones to get people hyped up only to shoot them down.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2238 - 2014-05-08 08:01:11 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
He's right. We've been hoodwinked…
We're actually getting a NERF to the Gecko with the Kronos update.
Basically whatever damage it's doing now - expect it to drop 6.3%...

Ogre II (pre-Kronos)
• 48 damage, 1.92x amplifier, 2.0x interface, 0.25x heavy drone, 0.10 racial
• (5) * 1.92 * 48 * 2.75 (skills) * 1.5 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 844.9 dps

Ogre II (post-Kronos)
• 64 damage, 1.92x amplifier, 1.5x interface, 0.25x heavy drone, 0.10 racial
• (2) * 1.92 * 64 * 2.0625 (skills) * 3.75 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 844.9 dps (±0)

Gecko (pre-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x interface, 0.25x heavy drone
• (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.5 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 874.8 dps

Gecko (post-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x interface, 0.25x heavy drone
* (1) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 3.75 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 820.1 dps (-6.3%)

Feel free to check my math and point out any errors. FML, this sucks. Evil
My enthusiasm for the new Rattlesnake just flamed out...


Do you have a link to the post that brings the effect of advanced drone interfacing down to 10% per level? I seem to have missed that.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2239 - 2014-05-08 08:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
He's right. We've been hoodwinked…
We're actually getting a NERF to the Gecko with the Kronos update.
Basically whatever damage it's doing now - expect it to drop 6.3%...

Ogre II (pre-Kronos)
• 48 damage, 1.92x amplifier, 2.0x interface, 0.25x heavy drone, 0.10 racial
• (5) * 1.92 * 48 * 2.75 (skills) * 1.5 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 844.9 dps

Ogre II (post-Kronos)
• 64 damage, 1.92x amplifier, 1.5x interface, 0.25x heavy drone, 0.10 racial
• (2) * 1.92 * 64 * 2.0625 (skills) * 3.75 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 844.9 dps (±0)

Gecko (pre-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x interface, 0.25x heavy drone
• (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.5 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 874.8 dps

Gecko (post-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x interface, 0.25x heavy drone
* (1) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 3.75 (Rattlesnake) * 1.778 (4 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 820.1 dps (-6.3%)

Feel free to check my math and point out any errors. FML, this sucks. Evil
My enthusiasm for the new Rattlesnake just flamed out...



Welcome to the club, others felt like that since they realised the real meaning of the original post.

Hopefully, the new rattlesnake will not stay in this crappy state and will actually have some resemblance to how it was described at Fanfest.
I did not believe the Gheco would receive the summer boosts others expected it to, which was why I am hoping the ship would get some decent stats for its overall drone system. No part of the new drone system can be described as an improvemt and most parts are a net negative.
Otherwise the whole fanfest announcement would be completely untrue.
guristas ships will have Most powerful subcap drone systems in eve LoL *deep sarcasm detected*

They couldn't expect that no one would notice could they?Roll

Edit:- to deliver their promise the same assumptions should apply as the worm, reduce quantities of drones, boost damage.

Being as both missiles and drones cannot both maximise their fittings of rigs, lows and mids at the same time, give it the same bonus.
Then CCP will have kept their promise. And made a good pirate ship. T1 dominix the best application of damage, rattlesnake best raw DPS

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2240 - 2014-05-08 08:39:23 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Do you have a link to the post that brings the effect of advanced drone interfacing down to 10% per level? I seem to have missed that.

Yes, it's in a dev blog (there's also a link to a spreadsheet with the new drone values in Kronos).
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/

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