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HiSec mining PEAK of profit?
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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#21 - 2014-04-13 13:21:30 UTC
So, you're doing something wrong.

What were the fits of the BC and BS you brought to the wormhole?

You can run a C2 anom for 20 to 30M, and it should take 2 people between 10 and 20 minutes each, not counting salvage.

Wormhole data sites do have a lot of junk in them, but that's because there is a limited demand for T3s, and the bottleneck in fabricating them is melted nanoribbons, and some of the gases. You can find caldari decryptors in data sites which are worth a decent chunk of change. The relic sites in lower level systems aren't worth that much, but with a decent fleet of 6 or 7 including logi, can clear c5 or c6 sites and hunt intact hull fragments.

You could do ninja gas mining. C320 and c540 are among the most valuable gas in the game. On the order of 30m per venture. But those are more of the boring stuff. If you have a pos in less than 0.4 space, you can react the stuff.

Data sites in nullsec pay out 10 to 20m. Nullsec relic sites pay out 30-50M or more. Ghost sites pay out between 6M ish and upwards of 50M or more in wormholes.

Wormhole PI can pay out 3m ish per planet per day for 3 minutes per day, each (not counting hauling time).

Doing combat exploration sites in lowsec can pay put between 30m to 500m each. Sort of a lottery on top of a lottery.

Hell, even grinding L4s pays more than hisec mining.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-04-13 14:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Nerf high-sec mining Big smile

Eve isn't a free game. PLEXing is great for rich older players. Newer players grinding that much ISK aren't likely to have any fun, ever.

Do some research on wormholes. I suspect with 3 million skillpoints that you barely have the skills to fly a battlecruiser correctly, which explains why your efficiency is so low. Wormholes are after all some of the hardest PVE in the game and they weren't intended for brand new players to just waltz in solo and make it rain.

The first thing to check is the class of the system. Use staticmapper or a similar tool to determine the class. C1s are the easiest and the sites can be run solo in a battlecruiser with a decent fit. C2s are a bit more valuable but may be difficult with your low skills. C3s are possible to solo, but very challenging for new players (steer clear). C4-C6 must be run in groups and are much more lucrative.

You won't be making 1 billion an hour solo. You'd need a capital pilot to pull that off with proper support from a wormhole corp in a C5 or C6 system.

High sec mining is actually one of the lowest isk/hour activities in the game. Low/null sec exploration, level 3 and 4 missions, DEDs, low/null/WH mining, station trading, low/null/WH combat sites, and faction warfare plexes will all make you much more when done efficiently. The good thing about high sec mining is that it's consistent and easy.

Your mining alt has twice as many skill points as your combat character but you somehow expect to make more ISK with them just because you're in a wormhole? You aren't prepared, you haven't done any research, and you're just whining.

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Titan's Lament
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#23 - 2014-04-13 16:25:06 UTC
Ghanima Vorias wrote:
and the very idea of "HiSec" in what seems to be a PVP oriented game is broken. Theres no excitement, hell theres not even interaction with the game half the time, and more disturbingly, the more you AFK, the more ISK you make!

Part of the community is working hard, to bring enjoyable content to high sec Twisted. Although I'm sure, some folks have a different opinion about this Blink.

Remove standings and insurance.
Fransone
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-04-13 16:47:58 UTC
For every thing you mentioned that didnt make any ISK there is players making billions a week from doing exactly that. If you are jumping from one career to the next without giving yourself time to gain knowledge, skills and experience then I am not surprised that you are not finding ways to make ISK.

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#25 - 2014-04-14 00:08:56 UTC
Ghanima Vorias wrote:
Its boring and the very idea of "HiSec" in what seems to be a PVP oriented game is broken.t 2 active players can do that doesnt involve AFK'ing in a f'n safe zone.


You seem to be under the mis-impression that hi-sec = safe-sec. It is not. You are still a target, you just have to be considered worth the extra hassle is all.

If you feel to bored, go declare war on someone.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
#26 - 2014-04-14 11:07:51 UTC
Well I, for one, am glad this thread got made. I don't personally have any problems at all being a highsec slow ISK noob for the time being, and I learned a lot just from reading the responses of people.

"What a sad world we live in, where politeness is mistaken for weakness."  - Usagi Yojimbo
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#27 - 2014-04-15 03:24:04 UTC
Seraphi Nephalis wrote:
Well I, for one, am glad this thread got made. I don't personally have any problems at all being a highsec slow ISK noob for the time being, and I learned a lot just from reading the responses of people.

There's nothing wrong with doing the high-sec activities or the low-return activities. If it's the corner of the sandbox you enjoy, then roll with it.

I know plenty of people that really, really, really love mining, like they actively think it's the best part of the game. I think they're bloody insane, but I don't make fun of them over it-- you don't deserve to be mocked if you enjoy something that most people hate. You DO deserve to be mocked if you're doing something you hate in a video game without an actual scoring system just because you feel an obligation to 'max your score' (usually isk or isk/hour in Eve). Intentionally doing things you dislike to achieve something with no real meaning, that doesn't even give you a sense of personal satisfaction-- that's going beyond weird and hitting 'stupid'.

(I actually know people that have fun maximizing isk/hour, too, it's as legit as those of us that enjoy the theorycrafting/on-paper ships part of the game -- if it entertains you, it's worth your time.)
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-04-15 06:50:08 UTC
Step 1: Try everything
Step 2: Find something you enjoy doing.
Step 3: Find out how to do it better/more efficiently/make money doing it
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit
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Step X: PVP
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Step Y: Become bittervet and forumwhiner

Fun begins in Step 2.

Instead you're doing this:
Step 1: Try everything
Step 2: Become bittervet and forumwhiner

Go away and try this again, but don't skip the steps in between this time.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#29 - 2014-04-15 07:11:48 UTC
OP, if you want something relatively exciting that generates ISK, and you are able to absorb a ~500m loss, you could always try getting deep into nullsec in an interceptor with a scanning probe (this isn't hard), probing your way into a wormhole link to highsec, bookmarking every step (this will be unfamiliar but not mechanically difficult), then reverse that wormhole chain in a Heavy Assault Cruiser and run various PVE sites deep in someone else's nullsec.

You won't be able to fly all of that yet, so start in lowsec instead (where the PVE is easier), but utilize the methods you'd use in null for practice.


Trouble will find you.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-04-15 15:51:36 UTC
Ghanima Vorias wrote:
For one, I am not comparing my self to others, I actually am basing my comparisons on my self lol.

I was more pissed that I made less than I did in HiSec, not that I didnt come out rich. That is my concern. That The only way for me to maintain profitability is to cut out the fun.

As for incursions and missions, just not a fan. I made the combat toon for the purpose of higher risk activities because I feel that the fun in this game revolves around the activities that takes place amongst areas of danger. Things that are not static and repetitive. However I just don't see how financially it works when I can make so incredibly much more in HiSec, and the thought of HiSecing it up for the next 6-12 months while a strict plan queue progresses sends chills down my spine. I honestly don't want to be stuck in HiSec simply because I want to PLEX my account with the account I am playing with but every venture into something dangerous and exhilarating is a bust and so far a waste.

If there is something profitable out of HiSec that a person can do I would love to know, right now I just feel like I am treading water, and other times I just feel like I'm drowning trying to achieve venturing out of HiSec.


Once you are set up correctly solo mining is the lowest income in eve.
Manufacturers make way more.
Traders make way more.
High sec mission blitzers make more.
WH sites make way more (did you salvage - the profit in C3 and below is in nanoribbons). If it took an hour then your friend was in a poor ship for it.
low sec and null sec relic/data people make more
low/null combat sigs make more
incursion make more
null anom farmers make more.
null missioners make more.

Also you are wrong about pvp. It takes a few days to be useful in pvp. It takes a lot of teaching /trying to actually fly your ship well and to pick your fights. I moved to null at a few weeks old for a pvp corp and have never looked back.

Anyway to make isk find what you enjoy and then learn to do it well. Once you have learned to do it well you will have more fun and make more isk. If you do it badly you might still have fun but you will make less isk.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-04-15 16:28:15 UTC
Factional Warfare

PVP + you can easily make the '100-150M in a couple of hours' that you say you currently make mining.

Join a decent corp, be active and good-natured and you will have fun and learn to PVP no matter your SPs.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
gifter Penken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-04-15 20:37:12 UTC
Risk is not the only thing that determines reward. Time does also.


Players choose which actions to perform based on the ISK/risk AND the ISK/hr ratios.

Once upon a time, missioning paid a lot more than mining, so I missioned. Then they eliminated meta 0 loot and drone drop. Mining increased in profitability to the point that I paked the missioning ship and went mining. That is, ISK/hr.


Also, there are ways to make wormhole life fairly safe. Not open your out wormholes, watch for generic exits that indicate someone else has opened a wormhole in. You can make more ISK, in less time, with only slightly higher risk... if you wormhole "correctly".

If there were a way to PvP for similar profit margins, then groups like goons would find ways to exploit it for insane profits (happened).


So, before you get too whiny about ISK/risk, be sure to include a calculation of ISK/hr.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-04-16 14:20:09 UTC
gifter Penken wrote:
Players choose which actions to perform based on the ISK/risk AND the ISK/hr ratios.

ISK/effort. also important. multiboxing two rattlesnakes in lvl4 missions is more effort than multiboxing six skiffs in an ice belt.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#34 - 2014-04-16 17:25:48 UTC
Ghanima Vorias wrote:
Fairly important since I am a broke bastard trying to scratch by in life and pay for this game purely through ISK, easily I might add.


This is where I stopped reading.

Stop playing video games, get a job and stop leeching off society, you lazy SoB
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-04-16 20:06:42 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Ghanima Vorias wrote:
Fairly important since I am a broke bastard trying to scratch by in life and pay for this game purely through ISK, easily I might add.


This is where I stopped reading.

Stop playing video games, get a job and stop leeching off society, you lazy SoB

cool it with the right wing talking points. this is not fox news.

I should buy an Ishtar.
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