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Discussion about Cloaky Camping

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phunkmaster
Untold Rising
#1 - 2014-04-12 14:30:11 UTC
Cloaky camping is a valid and vital part of null sec game play, allowing power blocks and alliances to gather intel on systems and on occasion drop in a few ships to fight with. However, it seems like there are characters that will come in to a system, warp off to some location then cloak, then walking away from the computer.

It seems that when this is happening, that the operations in that system come to a halt. People would would like the fights can't, as their target is cloaked, people who would like to do industry and keep building ships can't gather their raw materials, people who are running anomalies or signatures can't, and pretty much no content is available for people in that system.

Eve is a sandbox, and should be played how people like, and stopping others from being able to do what they want is a valid form of gameplay. But, when you have people who come in to your system, cloak up, and walk away, they aren't even playing, they are just griefing.

My suggestion, aside from a general discussion on the gameplay mechanic, how about a method that requires you to actually be playing and at your computer for you to be able to use this play style.

Ever other playstyle that I can think of, I am sure I missed one, requires you to be at your computer at least mostly. Why doesn't sitting cloaked in a system you don't hold sov in, or NPCs don't control, not require you to be at your computer?

What is your feedback on this mechanic?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-04-12 14:34:24 UTC
Your ideas are new and exciting and in the wrong place.

Obligatory:

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phunkmaster
Untold Rising
#3 - 2014-04-12 14:35:14 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Your ideas are new and exciting and in the wrong place.

Obligatory:


Missed that, thank you.

Feel free to delete the thread.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#4 - 2014-04-12 14:37:13 UTC
How about cloak buster drones. Twisted

Turn them loose, and they take a fair amount of time, but will eventually find the cloaked ship and report it's location back to you.

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Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#5 - 2014-04-12 14:42:41 UTC
Getting rid of local in nullsec would help tremendously with this issue. AFK cloakers would become entirely irrelevant.
kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-04-12 14:49:16 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Your ideas are new and exciting and in the wrong place.

Obligatory:



That topic is locked.

And in any case, OP just went on about people being able to use their own playstyles - what about afk cloakers isn't valid? If you can do it in game, then why not? This is precisely the same argument used to argue against high sec gankers. It's a viable form of gameplay. Null sec shouldn't be risk free right?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#7 - 2014-04-12 14:51:30 UTC
kes88 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Your ideas are new and exciting and in the wrong place.

Obligatory:



That topic is locked.


True, however the F&I forum is not, and is in fact the correct place for "ideas".

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
GotItFrom Ebay
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-12 14:51:56 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Getting rid of local in nullsec would help tremendously with this issue. AFK cloakers would become entirely irrelevant.

At that point a simple "Hey, what's up guys?" in local would probably do. After that, the cloaker might not even have to stay in system.

Or if you really want to shut a system down, deploy some combat probes and just let them sit (of course be sure to come back and retrieve them before their timer runs out).
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#9 - 2014-04-12 14:52:13 UTC
so how EvE and /pizza
maybe we can only use the /pizza function when we are cloaked. Then a cloaky pizza delivery man shows up at my door wanting a tip.

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kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-04-12 14:55:30 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
kes88 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Your ideas are new and exciting and in the wrong place.

Obligatory:



That topic is locked.


True, however the F&I forum is not, and is in fact the correct place for "ideas".



This is true. Objection withdrawn. However, @ OP how many times do we have to hear about this as an objection?
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#11 - 2014-04-12 14:59:23 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Getting rid of local in nullsec would help tremendously with this issue. AFK cloakers would become entirely irrelevant.



Getting rid of local everywhere would be better for everyone. If we want to know how many pilots are in system, F10.


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phunkmaster
Untold Rising
#12 - 2014-04-12 15:02:05 UTC
kes88 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Your ideas are new and exciting and in the wrong place.

Obligatory:



That topic is locked.

And in any case, OP just went on about people being able to use their own playstyles - what about afk cloakers isn't valid? If you can do it in game, then why not? This is precisely the same argument used to argue against high sec gankers. It's a viable form of gameplay. Null sec shouldn't be risk free right?

Stating my opinion, and only that, AFK isn't a playstyle, it's a grief style. High-sec ganking, is fine, you have to be at your computer to do it, and you risk concord.

Null should not be risk free, it should be riskier than any other area of play other than wormholes.

Can you explain to me why cloaky camping is a valid play style if you don't even have to be at your computer. How come someone can cloak up in a system and go get a beer at the pub, and they don't have any risk?
kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-04-12 15:05:46 UTC
phunkmaster wrote:
kes88 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Your ideas are new and exciting and in the wrong place.

Obligatory:



That topic is locked.

And in any case, OP just went on about people being able to use their own playstyles - what about afk cloakers isn't valid? If you can do it in game, then why not? This is precisely the same argument used to argue against high sec gankers. It's a viable form of gameplay. Null sec shouldn't be risk free right?

Stating my opinion, and only that, AFK isn't a playstyle, it's a grief style. High-sec ganking, is fine, you have to be at your computer to do it, and you risk concord.

Null should not be risk free, it should be riskier than any other area of play other than wormholes.

Can you explain to me why cloaky camping is a valid play style if you don't even have to be at your computer. How come someone can cloak up in a system and go get a beer at the pub, and they don't have any risk?


Personally, I'm not remotely interested in afk cloaking as a form of play - what a boring way to spend one's time in EVE after all - but playing devil's advocate here - the answer is 'because you can'. Bit disappointing as a reply, but that's the fact of the matter.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#14 - 2014-04-12 15:07:01 UTC
True afk is not a playstyle. It is an afk style. Afk has nothing to do with griefing, it has everything to do with being afk.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2014-04-12 15:10:57 UTC
How on earth do you turn not being at your computer into griefing of all things? Ugh
kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-04-12 15:14:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
How on earth do you turn not being at your computer into griefing of all things? Ugh


As happens every now and then, agreeing with Tippia here. 100%.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#17 - 2014-04-12 15:17:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
How on earth do you turn not being at your computer into griefing of all things? Ugh



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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#18 - 2014-04-12 16:25:27 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Getting rid of local in nullsec would help tremendously with this issue. AFK cloakers would become entirely irrelevant.


"Remove Local" is seriously one of the stupidest ideas, ever. Think about all the reasons why it's stupid. Oh, wait, you can't? Let me help you with the only reason you need to know: REMOVING LOCAL IS A REALLY, REALLY STUPID IDEA AND YOU SHOULD KNOCK THIS CRAP OFF.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2014-04-12 16:57:00 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
"Remove Local" is seriously one of the stupidest ideas, ever.
Maybe, but it does solve the AFK-cloaker “problem” completely. Think of it as a reflection of stupid the supposed problem is. Blink
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
#20 - 2014-04-12 17:01:41 UTC
If they're AFK, they can't hurt you, and if you're docked up, they can't hurt you.
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