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Are Interdictors gettting the changes made to Destroyers?
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Jon Marburg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-14 19:08:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jon Marburg
Looking at SiSi it doesn't appear that any of the interdictors have received the sig and hp buff of their T1 counterparts. Was this intentional or just overlooked? In the current state, dictors entire role consists of bubbling and getting off field or hiding. Was kind of hoping that pilots for these ships would be able to actually have a reason to fit guns to their ships, because right now they're just expensive coffins if you stay on field. Looking at the numbers it appears that the T1 versions now have equal dps and more ehp and survivability. It seems appropriate that the T2 version be at least as survivable as the T1, as right now there is no reason to fly them aside from the bubble.
Carlos Aranda
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-14 19:45:30 UTC

I sooooooooooooooooo support you!!!!

I am a Dictor pilot.

I would like it. Because when they nerfed once Nanofags, they nerfed interdictors too hard.

Today it is too often "drop 1 bubble - and then pop and podded in own bubble too" in large battles always. The only thing, which might save you, if the hostile fleet pays not enough attention and you can cloak or warp off fast enough. Especially a sig radius bonus would help. Today 1-2 good volleys from a single BS are already enough to kill a dictor. I saw 1 single Abaddon with t2 mega Pulse or Maelstrom with 1400mm t2 insta-pop a dictor in 1 volley, if he has MWD on and is approaching, flying right in the volley. That is a little sad for such a ship.

Also I do not understand, why such a cheap hull like a destroyer, which every noob can fly after a few days, needs so much attention and other ships, which need far more skills, cost far more, get no attention, like i.e. Pilgrim or t3 hulls, which are no tengu and so on.
Jiji Hamin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-14 20:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jiji Hamin
Jon Marburg wrote:
Looking at SiSi it doesn't appear that any of the interdictors have received the sig and hp buff of their T1 counterparts. Was this intentional or just overlooked? In the current state, dictors entire role consists of bubbling and getting off field or hiding. Was kind of hoping that pilots for these ships would be able to actually have a reason to fit guns to their ships, because right now they're just expensive coffins if you stay on field. Looking at the numbers it appears that the T1 versions now have equal dps and more ehp and survivability. It seems appropriate that the T2 version be at least as survival as the T1, as right now there is no reason to fly them aside from the bubble.


funny, because the last time I checked dictors don't need a buff


Carlos Aranda wrote:

I sooooooooooooooooo support you!!!!

I am a Dictor pilot.

I would like it. Because when they nerfed once Nanofags, they nerfed interdictors too hard.

Today it is too often "drop 1 bubble - and then pop and podded in own bubble too" in large battles always. The only thing, which might save you, if the hostile fleet pays not enough attention and you can cloak or warp off fast enough. Especially a sig radius bonus would help. Today 1-2 good volleys from a single BS are already enough to kill a dictor. I saw 1 single Abaddon with t2 mega Pulse or Maelstrom with 1400mm t2 insta-pop a dictor in 1 volley, if he has MWD on and is approaching, flying right in the volley. That is a little sad for such a ship.

Also I do not understand, why such a cheap hull like a destroyer, which every noob can fly after a few days, needs so much attention and other ships, which need far more skills, cost far more, get no attention, like i.e. Pilgrim or t3 hulls, which are no tengu and so on.


right, because everyone knows that the pilgrim is a bad ship >_<
Carlos Aranda
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-14 20:11:14 UTC
Jiji Hamin wrote:


right, because everyone knows that the pilgrim is a bad ship >_<


... or maybe it is just you, who is bad @ this game or maybe you just wanted to troll. **** off somewhere else or bring some arguments.
Jon Marburg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-14 21:30:11 UTC
You can't really argue that interdictors don't need a survivability buff when in the current state they're getting insta-popped in any fleet engagement and the pilots are pretty much guaranteed to end up coming home in pods if they're lucky or in new clones if they aren't. I just don't really see a reason to fix just the t1 version, but leave the t2 with all the current issues faced by destroyer hulls.
Fioda Skiza
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-14 21:45:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Fioda Skiza
Destroyers are the newplayers' ships. And CCP needs to make new players happy. EVE needs a steady income of fresh players like every other MMO. I support the destroyer buff with all my limbs.

Interdictors need a buff too. A major survivability buff.
Maybe give them the same MWD-signature bonus as the interceptors? Let them use the micro-warp without becoming 500m large in signature.
Jon Marburg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-15 03:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jon Marburg
Kind of surprised at the lack of response. I know talking with corpmates that they had assumed that the changes to the t1 hulls would carry through to the t2 ones as well and were surprised to find that as of the current version they aren't going to be. Is it just lack of knowledge or do people really not think carrying over the survivability buff is necessary?
Cthulhu F'taghn
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-15 07:25:19 UTC
I'm curious about this too. I assumed they'd at least be getting the sig size reduction that the t1 hulls are receiving.

Black Dranzer
#9 - 2011-11-15 08:07:05 UTC
As much as I'd love to fly a buffed up flycatcher, I doubt the buffs will carry over.

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Sutha Moliko
Giza'Msafara
#10 - 2011-11-15 10:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sutha Moliko
Cthulhu F'taghn wrote:
I'm curious about this too. I assumed they'd at least be getting the sig size reduction that the t1 hulls are receiving.



A Sabre has a bigger sig size than a Guardian or Oneiros. They are cruisers with much more HP...
Destroyers have now the firepower of their T2 counterpart with the removal of the ROF penality. The Thrasher is trully impressive, as much as the Sabre was. However, Interdictors are supposed to be an improvement of T1 hull and they do have more resists and their interdiction sphere launcher. But still, it looks strange to me.

They should also receive a sig size reduction, not necessarily as much as T1 but should be at least under 70 which are the smallest size of cruisers.
A Sabre with 65 sig size will have a sig size 71 with a MSE for exemple.
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-15 21:34:56 UTC
Strongly supported.

For consistency sake, all changes to T1 destroyers should carry over to dictors.
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-11-15 21:46:43 UTC
Bumping for the sheer lolz to be had at a dev responding with essentially "D'oh! Our bad, completely forgot about them... They are still in game right?"
Xenial Jesse Taalo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-15 21:55:22 UTC
Yep. I was interested in getting a Sabre, now I am not.
Lord Helghast
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-11-15 21:58:14 UTC
+1 here as welor as was said give them the interceptors mwd bonus
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-15 23:10:11 UTC
+1 because of mass suicide during fleetops. To difficult to get dictor reinforcements.
Joseph Blade
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-16 14:57:02 UTC
It makes no sense to not buff the t2 versions. they are based on the same hull afterall. (and are supposed to be more advanced than the t1 equivalent). This needs fixing
Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
#17 - 2011-11-16 15:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonaura
Personally, I think they should get the buff, because bubbles = fun times - only work in 0.0 and other destroyers should now be in a fleet make up to help counter them. Oh... and don't these things die so fast, you need to bring spares to a fleet anyway?

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Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
#18 - 2011-11-16 15:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonaura
Lord Helghast wrote:
+1 here as welor as was said give them the interceptors mwd bonus


They don't need it. The current destroyers can fit an oversized AB, and are very... very hard to kill when at speed, the Minmitar destroyer rolls out at 2000 m/s overloads to 2800... and you want a MWD bonus? If interdictors got the same signature bonus, you wouldn't need an additional MWD bonus, this would just make them impossible to catch.

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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-11-17 03:05:43 UTC
Content.
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-11-17 08:10:02 UTC
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Content.


Content with what?

In the current SiSi build, interdictors still lack the smaller signature that their T1 counterparts were given.
This is silly and needs to be corrected before release.
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