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So, just how effective is CSM?

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#81 - 2014-04-15 07:38:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Ship Maintenence Arrays drop loot again.

That was us.


No it wasn't. lol.

Oh god.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2014-04-15 07:42:02 UTC
Luwc wrote:
ask yourself if it really makes any difference.

Only thing CSM does is work for the powerblocs.

inb4 pubbie tears.

I have been in the CFC for 3 years.

We wanted drones nerfed. CSM got on it
We wanted Titans nerfed. CSM got on it

etc. etc.

So please dont try to be a smartass publord.


Both titans and drones required more than "CSM lobbying" to convince CCP to fix. With titans, we took 900 m/s permamwd Drakes and tossed them into the meatgrinder as an example of how ridiculous it was that they were able to apply full damage against fast moving ships, even with transversal. With drone assist we did nothing but field Dominix fleets even in engagements where they didn't really have a place. With AoE DDs we demonstrated that we (with our friends) could field enough titans to clear a grid of literally everything smaller than a titan.

0.0 groups field CSM candidates to get a strong nullsec presence in the CSM and shoot down bad ideas that would screw up the quality of life in nullsec.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#83 - 2014-04-15 10:07:23 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
b. The null sec cartels are very good at getting any thread that threatens their agenda derailed or locked, very quickly.

threads you post in get locked and you think someone else is responsible?


Grrrr, cartel moderators. P

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-04-15 10:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Coffee Rocks
Lors Dornick wrote:

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


I did a once over of the thread, and this sums up any response I thought of making.

Edit: If you think the CSM is useless, pod yourself.

You never fly alone - Broadcast 4 Reps | Twitter: @thecoffeerocks | Steam: CoffeeRocks
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2014-04-15 11:30:56 UTC
Coffee Rocks wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


I did a once over of the thread, and this sums up any response I thought of making.

Edit: If you think the CSM is useless, pod yourself.

Its not that they're useless its that they were an idea designed to represent all EvE players but the voting process is manipulated by coalitions to only represent sov null. They are then effectively an imbalancing factor in the game. This can easily be seen by looking at how bad null and sov mechanics are.

That 10 of 11 CSM voted against a covert ops cloak on the Nestor, making it a completely fail ship is good evidence they're not exactly good for the game.

That the CSM had a hand in diluting the usefulness of siphons, once again making them useless, to protect their own null interests, is further proof of bias and evidence they're not good for the game.

I didn't vote for them, they don't represent me or the majority of players in this game and they need to be scrapped imo.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2014-04-15 11:35:02 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Infinity Ziona wrote:
That 10 of 11 CSM voted against a covert ops cloak on the Nestor, making it a completely fail ship is good evidence they're not exactly good for the game.

You're not interested in what's good for the game. A covert ops Nestor wouldn't have been. It would have been good for you though, I'm sure, which is why you think it's good for the game. As with everything else you have to say on the subject of game balance.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2014-04-15 11:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
That 10 of 11 CSM voted against a covert ops cloak on the Nestor, making it a completely fail ship is good evidence they're not exactly good for the game.

You're not interested in what's good for the game. A covert ops Nestor wouldn't have been. It would have been good for you though, I'm sure, which is why you think it's good for the game. As with everything else you have to say on the subject of game balance.

Horsecrap. I have a Stratios that can do 900 dps vs my widow which can do 900, applies all its dps to small ships vs my widow which applies very little except to battleships, locks a frigate in 3 seconds, vs 8 seconds in my widow, mitigates damage much better than my widow, aligns twice as fast, moves 3 times as fast....

You're either stupid or a newb if you think a nerfed hull like the battleship is more dangerous in cov ops than smaller ships.

And the Nestor is nowhere are effective at killing stuff as Blops. It has ridiculous bonuses for a BATTLE ship.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#88 - 2014-04-15 11:48:26 UTC
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

-- H. L. Mencken
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-04-15 15:57:34 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The CSM is extremely effective, if you look at it for what it is: A lobby group for the null sec cartels.
As a lobby for them, it does en excellent job of skewing the game's design in the direction of improving the profitability for the cartels, and specifically their leaders' wallets, while impoverishing all other aspects of the Eve universe.

...

There is a reason that the cartels exert so much energy to dominate the CSM every year.
They know precisely how much power this gives them in-game.

the goons do far more damage to high sec using the the CSM than any Burn Jita event can possibly imagine to.
And it will continue, as the CSM convinces their very wiling partner, CCP, to give the CSM ever increasing say on game design.


Granted, most of this is twaddle, but peel back the layers, and the core principle is right. We get people of the CSM to direct and protect our way of playing.

It didn't used to be this way. The CSM up until and including CSM 5 was largely ignored by the Nullsec entities (barring the odd guy who wanted to play armchair politician). Then the CSM blithely took a hammer to our Jump Bridge networks, and didn't blink as our anomolies got hammered in to the ground, and we realised we had to get the brakes on on this clown car, before a bunch of ignorants and incompetants plowed it straight through our part of the game, leaving flaming debris in its wake. So, since then we have. And if you want to make sure your play style is protected, as we want to protect ours, you have to get your guys on to seats too, it's as simple as that.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2014-04-15 18:13:21 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The CSM is extremely effective, if you look at it for what it is: A lobby group for the null sec cartels.
As a lobby for them, it does en excellent job of skewing the game's design in the direction of improving the profitability for the cartels, and specifically their leaders' wallets, while impoverishing all other aspects of the Eve universe.

...

There is a reason that the cartels exert so much energy to dominate the CSM every year.
They know precisely how much power this gives them in-game.

the goons do far more damage to high sec using the the CSM than any Burn Jita event can possibly imagine to.
And it will continue, as the CSM convinces their very wiling partner, CCP, to give the CSM ever increasing say on game design.


Granted, most of this is twaddle, but peel back the layers, and the core principle is right. We get people of the CSM to direct and protect our way of playing.

It didn't used to be this way. The CSM up until and including CSM 5 was largely ignored by the Nullsec entities (barring the odd guy who wanted to play armchair politician). Then the CSM blithely took a hammer to our Jump Bridge networks, and didn't blink as our anomolies got hammered in to the ground, and we realised we had to get the brakes on on this clown car, before a bunch of ignorants and incompetants plowed it straight through our part of the game, leaving flaming debris in its wake. So, since then we have. And if you want to make sure your play style is protected, as we want to protect ours, you have to get your guys on to seats too, it's as simple as that.

Well considering the atrocious state of the game, especially in null sec, stagnation, 40k player coalitions designed to steamroll any real opposition you guys are doing a fantastic job - of totally screwing up EvE Online so you can have your 'playstyle' protected.

But then that was the stated intention of Goons when they joined EvE, to ruin it... congrats.

As for getting seats, its not a practical suggestion given the opposition will be 10's of thousands of organized out of game SA members and their pets.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#91 - 2014-04-15 18:20:12 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The CSM is extremely effective, if you look at it for what it is: A lobby group for the null sec cartels.
As a lobby for them, it does en excellent job of skewing the game's design in the direction of improving the profitability for the cartels, and specifically their leaders' wallets, while impoverishing all other aspects of the Eve universe.

...

There is a reason that the cartels exert so much energy to dominate the CSM every year.
They know precisely how much power this gives them in-game.

the goons do far more damage to high sec using the the CSM than any Burn Jita event can possibly imagine to.
And it will continue, as the CSM convinces their very wiling partner, CCP, to give the CSM ever increasing say on game design.


Granted, most of this is twaddle, but peel back the layers, and the core principle is right. We get people of the CSM to direct and protect our way of playing.

It didn't used to be this way.


Yeah, the CSM was created to watchdog CCP and keep them from repeating T20.

lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.