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So, just how effective is CSM?

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Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-04-12 09:19:13 UTC
I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.

Is CSM just a feel-good dog and pony show?

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Solecist Project
#2 - 2014-04-12 09:21:03 UTC
Some will say yes.
Some will say no.
Some will say maybe.

This is the most accurate response you can get .

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-04-12 09:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Regardless, it's considerably more of a **** than ANY other bunch of dev/publishers have ever given about their players.

Effective or not, I appreciate the efforts they go to,to make me feel like a valued member of the community and even if it is a pony show,the csm goes a long way in that regard.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#4 - 2014-04-12 09:40:13 UTC
I guess they are more "reliable" as feedback source than simple polls due to a fact that devs speak with real people not with dry excel sheets that most definitely would contain healthy dosage of trolling. Of course that might be a good or bad thing depending on who is talking to who (whom?) and on what subject.

Also Malcanis is very effective as sarcastic holier-than-thou douche relentlessly pointing out that if you didn't put your people in CSM you have no right to have valuable opinion on anything. I miss good old manifesto writing Malcanis who could be bothered with responses longer than one line of "haha, you don't matter!". And I say it with all love I can squeeze out of my avatar.

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#5 - 2014-04-12 09:42:16 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Regardless, it's considerably more of a **** than ANY other bunch of dev/publishers have ever given about their players.


That's not really true. Starbound and Dwarf Fortress spring to mind immediately as counter examples. It would perhaps be more accurate to say: more of a **** than any large development house.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2014-04-12 09:44:28 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Regardless, it's considerably more of a **** than ANY other bunch of dev/publishers have ever given about their players.


That's not really true. Starbound and Dwarf Fortress spring to mind immediately as counter examples. It would perhaps be more accurate to say: more of a **** than any large development house.

Fair assertion.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-04-12 09:44:42 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.

ccp apparently thinks otherwise
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
I miss good old manifesto writing Malcanis who could be bothered with responses longer than one line of "haha, you don't matter!".

i didn't elect him to put more effort into forums posting vOv
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
#8 - 2014-04-12 09:48:47 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.

Is CSM just a feel-good dog and pony show?


Got to love 'get rid of the CSM' posts.

If you are jealous that some people go to iceland than I can understand, otherwise directly talking to people who have the pulse on what players want or would like is invaluable.

Also we have someone to shout at as well if it goes wrong :P
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#9 - 2014-04-12 09:49:23 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
I miss good old manifesto writing Malcanis who could be bothered with responses longer than one line of "haha, you don't matter!".

i didn't elect him to put more effort into forums posting vOv


God forbid community representative would interact with community.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2014-04-12 09:49:28 UTC
This has the look of an inconspicuous Maicanis appreciation thread...

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#11 - 2014-04-12 09:54:18 UTC
Isn't thread derailing most exciting among all forum sports?

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Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-04-12 10:03:21 UTC
Looking at wiki, seems CSM was developed in part as a response to developer misconduct.

So "at the time" damage control?

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Jallukola
#13 - 2014-04-12 10:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jallukola
Maybe it's just a gimmick after all, CCP forming CSM thanks to virtual riots and then sprinkle some sense being heard ontop of it. If anything, I feel CSM is nothing but a pretty tag next to your name on the forums and a permission to pretend more important than a "normal" user.

All posts and mails screencapped and time stamped, including out of EVE, you will not reverse on me.

Might come in handy!
Serene Repose
#14 - 2014-04-12 10:32:47 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Some will say yes.
Some will say no.
Some will say maybe.
About most anything rendering this response null and void.

The CSM is as effective as the player base notices - which is not at all. It's an ipso/facto thing.
But, thanks for asking.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Solecist Project
#15 - 2014-04-12 10:41:37 UTC
There's a thing people are often forgetting about the CSM.
Or they're just clueless.

People like Mangala Solaris or Mynnna have an actual playerbase behind them,
which they could easily rattle up to make sure CCP hears what the players have to say.


Members of the CSM also *listen* to their people and tell that to CCP. Of course,
CCP doesn't have to listen ... but we also are completely unable to tell when they
listen and when they don't listen and - naturally - players are more likely to
recognize when CCP doesn't listen.


People should be happy that the members of the CSM are moderate.
Good people. Rational people. People who value the fact that we
do not live in anarchy and chaos.


Unlike me.


I'm Austrian.


If I was on the CSM,
I'd make damn sure that the voice of the people behind me would be heard.


All day.
Every day.
Forever.


(cue evil dictator laugh)
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!1111elevenoneoneone



Btw, did burn jita start already?

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Solecist Project
#16 - 2014-04-12 10:44:17 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Some will say yes.
Some will say no.
Some will say maybe.
About most anything rendering this response null and void.

The CSM is as effective as the player base notices - which is not at all. It's an ipso/facto thing.
But, thanks for asking.
Funny. I didn't ask anything,
which means your response is null and void.
I guess.

And besides that, it was 100% accurate.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#17 - 2014-04-12 11:36:43 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.

Is CSM just a feel-good dog and pony show?

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#18 - 2014-04-12 11:40:19 UTC
Well, they can get you banned if they don't like your face, so in the light of that I wish all our esteemed CSM a glorious and long reign, from your humble servant.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2014-04-12 12:10:56 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Well, they can get you banned if they don't like your face, so in the light of that I wish all our esteemed CSM a glorious and long reign, from your humble servant.

that's just the vice chair.

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Crompton Aberforth
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-04-12 12:45:58 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Well, they can get you banned if they don't like your face, so in the light of that I wish all our esteemed CSM a glorious and long reign, from your humble servant.


That's shooting the messenger! Maybe it's time to build a bridge....

As for the OP's comment suggesting CCP would be better off relying on polls and questionnaires, I've never seen one of those where I could honestly say everyone filling it out understood the question let alone the context behind the question.

I was told by a primary school science teacher how he needed to read science test questions out to his class. The reasoning behind this? He was confident the students could ace the answers about science however many of them struggle to comprehend the written question.

Invariably being able to discuss and debate something with players and/or their representatives is going to have more value for CCP, and in turn that value will flow to us, the end users.

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