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Change Field Command Ship models to Tier II Battlecruiser models.
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Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1 - 2011-11-14 18:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Saul Dhampir
I'm sure this will have come up before (had a quick look but did not see it, probably on the old forum). I also know CCP have said they would not do this, in the past. But with the upcoming expansion and the introduction of Tier III Battlecruisers, I want to throw this out there again. If enough people want it, it may be considered.

Fleet Command Ships would stay as they are:

Amarr: Damnation - Prophecy hull
Minmater: Claymore - Cyclone hull
Gallente: Eos - Brutix hull
Caldari: Vulture - Ferox hull


Field Command Ships would move to Tier II models:

Amarr: Absolution - Harbinger hull
Minmater: Sleipnir - Hurricane hull
Gallente: Astarte - Myrmidon hull
Caldari: Nighthawk - Drake hull

I would love to see Nighthawks as black with the red Kaalakiota diagonals on it. Or a gold and red harbi.

Of course the problem will be in the blueprints people are using to make them. But I am sure some sort of fair way of sorting that could be found. Perhaps offering a one time only swap of the Tier I blueprint to the equivalent Tier II?
Kayla Wallows
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-14 18:54:57 UTC
I can agree with this idea, I would be more inclined to buying and flying a sleipnir as a hurricane hull, while the Claymore remained in the Cyclone Hull.

I fully endorse and agree with this suggestion.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#3 - 2011-11-14 21:55:19 UTC
How do you propose the slot layouts be changed in order to accommodate the change in the hull?

As well, how will the different characteristics of the hull (ie: the myrm is a drone boat versus the brutix which is a blaster boat) and the bonuses from the different hulls change in lieu of the new hull?

*hint* think more *hint*

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Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#4 - 2011-11-14 23:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Saul Dhampir
Lykouleon wrote:
*hint* think more *hint*


I don't recall saying anything about fittings, slot layout or stats. All the Tier II models have enough gun ports to support the existing ship compositions.

The Ferox is a gunship. The Nighthawk is a missile boat. So your Myrm/Brutix analogy is already irrelevant. Another example is the Navy Issue Scorpion compared with the vanilla version. Same model, different ship style. Where is it written the T2 ships have to follow the style of the T1 ships?

I'm not sure what your point is? This is purely an aesthetic change.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#5 - 2011-11-15 00:07:53 UTC
Agreed with this, will make for more variety for sure and I'd love to see the t2 versions of the cane and harbinger :)

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#6 - 2011-11-15 01:00:51 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
As well, how will the different characteristics of the hull (ie: the myrm is a drone boat versus the brutix which is a blaster boat) and the bonuses from the different hulls change in lieu of the new hull?


Funny thing with your specific comparison is that the Myrmidon has 6 prominent turret slots, and the Prophecy is a laser boat while the Damnation is a missile boat.

Not to mention that CCP is working on visible missile launchers.

Saul's suggested mapping is what I'd go with: why oh why wasn't the Nighthawk based on a Drake hull, since it gets similar bonuses to the Drake?

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Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#7 - 2011-11-15 01:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Saul Dhampir
Mara Rinn wrote:
why oh why wasn't the Nighthawk based on a Drake hull, since it gets similar bonuses to the Drake?


To be fair, on that specific point, the Command Ships were introduced before the Tier II Battlecruisers, so there was only one set of models to choose from at the time.

I might photoshop up some screen shots of the Tier IIs into the relevant skins. For my own curiosity if nothing else.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#8 - 2011-11-15 02:29:27 UTC
Saul wrote:


I would love to see Nighthawks as black with the red Kaalakiota diagonals on it. Or a gold and red harbi.



This is a pretty thin reason for this drastic of a change.
If you think it thru a bit better, as to slot layout changes to support this and any needed CPU/PG changes you may get some movement. But not just for seeing a black nighthawk.

Side note: I really like the idea of each races command ships coming from the two different hulls.

Nothing clever at this time.
Black Dranzer
#9 - 2011-11-15 08:19:06 UTC
Yes, for the love of God.I might actually be tempted to fly a command ship if it didn't look like ass.

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Levistus Junior
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-15 12:56:04 UTC
Good idea. Would love to see some new models in gameBig smile
Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#11 - 2011-11-17 22:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Saul Dhampir
Ok first up...

Astarte

Absolution


Nighthawk and Sleipnir to come.
Temmu Guerra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-11-17 22:17:43 UTC
I support this for just being able to get a black harby on looks alone! =D
Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#13 - 2011-11-17 22:33:17 UTC
Temmu Guerra wrote:
I support this for just being able to get a black harby on looks alone! =D


Um... assuming you mean the Damnation, as per the OP, it would retain the Prophecy model.
Aineko Macx
#14 - 2011-11-19 10:53:18 UTC
For consistency, the Field CS would then have to be invented using the tier 2 BC BPCs.
I somewhat approve of this.

But tbh, the biggest problem with CS is that they've become overshadowed by T3's (displacing Fleet CS) and tier 2 BCs (displacing Field CS).

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-19 17:24:26 UTC
supported. Without introducing any significant change to mechanics, this proposal adds a little colour to the game.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-11-20 11:29:09 UTC
Given the use and capability of CS's right now I think that a reworking of the hulls and the bonuses are in order. Right now the only CS that I know of being used on grid as a command ship is the Absolution, everything else seems to take a back seat or is covered by Tier II BC's and T3's.

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Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-11-20 13:44:05 UTC
Saul Dhampir wrote:
Ok first up...

Astarte

Absolution


Nighthawk and Sleipnir to come.


Wouldn't the myrm be better for the Eos? Since the Eos is a droneboat and the astarte has more hardpoints than the myrm model?
Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#18 - 2011-11-20 20:20:49 UTC
And the others:

Nighthawk

Sleipnir
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-11-21 10:16:52 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
For consistency, the Field CS would then have to be invented using the tier 2 BC BPCs.
I somewhat approve of this.

But tbh, the biggest problem with CS is that they've become overshadowed by T3's (displacing Fleet CS) and tier 2 BCs (displacing Field CS).


No they have not. 0.0 fleet warfare still depends heavily on Fleet Commands for links, since those ships can actually fit tanks unlike three-link T3s. Field Commands have T2 resists and dual bonuses, so they are not overshadowed by tier 2 BCs by a long shot.

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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#20 - 2011-11-21 19:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Fon Revedhort
How about this:

Command ships remain as they are.

Instead we change tier2 battlecruisers so that they aren't OP anymore:

- harbinger gets one turret, one one hi-slot and one low-slot removed; CPU and grid are reduced accordingly; dronebay is now 25m3
- drake loses one launcher, one hi-slot and one medium slot; CPU and grid are reduced accordingly; shield resistance bonus is swapped for something more appropriate
- myrmydon loses one low-slot; CPU and grid are reduced accordingly
- hurricane loses one high- and one low-slot; CPU and grid are reduced accordingly; dronebay is now 15m3

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