Player Features and Ideas Discussion

issue is this would get more backing if war dec was not abused. I'd actualy back this potentially even.


You gank, I will give you credit for this. You take your chances and hope you kill before concord arrives....and the drop is worth the loss you take. And you probably have fixed status a few times I imagine.


The problem is war dec in empire is used heavily to bypass the downsides to ganking by far more many others. There is no meta to it, there is no grand tale to give a backdrop (the rise of goons to overthrow BoB for example). Its (ab) used because too many peeps don't want the sec hit or working under the timer that is concord showing up.

0.0 war decs for example pretty much to kill idiots in empire. They don't abuse the system. After a few weeks I have seen war decs drop but the war was far from over even. Even the idiots learned to not hit jita as a WT. That covered...lets save some isk and jsut blow each other up out here in 0.0 and have diplo's use "bad" colors for the other side.

Fix the war dec system to have some meaning beyond an easy out for dickless wonders who won't gank to kill the mission runner who is is not a burden to anyone and jsut doing his own thing and we can iron out something here. Till then the bears are using a perceived flawed mechanic to counter another very real flawed mechanic.

when a player isn't a combat player, and their corp is wardeced, they have 3 choices.
a) play someone elses game
b) leave the corp
c) leave the game.

your basically telling them they cant play their game, but either have to play YOUR game or leave.

so when did you buy out ccp? if you don't own the game, you don't have the right to tell others how to play their game.

Wardecs are implemented for you to target a corporation/alliance, not it's player members specifically. If they all abandon the corp/alliance, you won the war.

What's wrong with the other side running if they don't think have a chance of wining? We all know throwing more resources at a PvP problem is rarely the wrong solution unless you wish to create comedy lossmail. If the decced corp/alliance think any resources they can throw at the conflict would be a waste, why can't they just cut their losses and abandon ship?

You don't want a war, you want kills. You are looking for them the wrong way.

You can't dec a player so the dec can't follow them. What you are asking for is CONCORD generating unlimited killrights on a player just because you shoved some money in their pockets. It's not intended to work that way.

BRB, creating another 1 man corp for the duration of the NPC war.

I've already named mine. Federal Navy Academy Bunker.

so your not concerned with the corp, but with getting easy kills with no risk of concord interference or damage to your standing?

not every player in the game wants constant combat AND YOU ARE telling people they have to do precisely that.

you don't want people to avoid combat by leaving the corp. you want them to be under constant attack no matter where they go. THIS IS telling people that they MUST be pvp players CONSTANTLY.

even if they do leave the corp, you can still attack them. there IS NO SAFE spot in the game outside the station. YET this is not good enough because if you attack them while they are not wardeced YOU take damage, from concord and to your standings.

THAT is the only difference that happens when players leave the war deced corp and joined a non wardeced npc corp.

IF everyone leaves the corp, you won, but that's not what you want, you want the safe easy kills.

that's why you are the coward, not the people that leave the corp. Leaving the corp is a strategy, one that ccp has endorsed. war decing individuals is NOT endorsed by ccp. this is why this idea is a failure from the getgo.

even if they did do this. people that left the war deced corp would simply make a one man corp, bring in a trial account, then leave it if you war decced it leaving you facing one account that never logs on.

How many times do you think you could afford to run down, say even as little as 10 accounts that make new omc to make you pay the war dec fees again.

ccp has stated they will not allow you to wardec a player, and all of your suggestions are plainly meant to do that.

Jeez! 6 pages of basically waffle.

In the spirit of many of the posters: I don't want people deccing me so I remain in this NPC corp. I'm quite happy logging in sporadically and player a couple of hours here and there. It's how I want to do it. I'm not paying subs just so others can tell me how I MUST play this game.

Why don't you just contact whoever has upset you and make peace with them?

Suggesting that folk should not be able to stay in an NPC is like suggesting that folk should not be allowed to be in the goons for example, as it costs a fortune to wardec them and it is unfair on those who do not have that kind of isk.

You can stay in the corp. You'll just be attacked by the Matar navy. That's how the game works. Your choice.