EVE General Discussion

And yet paying subscriber numbers keep growing as they always have. As if it matters if people are multiboxing and running alts.

And your 2/3 of all accounts statistic is completely pulled out of your ass.

And seeing 35-40k players ONLINE at ALL TIMES is a success. People live in different timezones, you know. And people do need to sleep. Multiply that number by twelve two-hour prime-time zones and you get a number close to the total subscribers.

Y U NO POST GOOD

*Walks into thread, pulls a seat*

1) there are 2 other GD threads on the same GD topic. Use the F-ing search feature.

2) Who's alt are you? seriously this is rediulously stupid.

3) I;m old, in eve years (10, 33 irl) I HATE repeating myself. But clearly people will not listen, so I might as well...

Copy and Pate from another thread on the EXACT same GD topic.

Obligitory TL;DR.. no that should be "Too damn old in eve, and don't give a crap"

I have been here for 10 bloody years. So I was playing eve before you even knew what a jove was. Back when Jove were CCP and we hoped we could eventually play them. *Glares at ccp*

So a few things, 1) What the hells is with all the whine threads about skill points and waititng lately? I seriously don't under stand it. Are you all alts of the same dude or something?

2) You clearly have ZERO idea how the game works. None, zip, noda. Let me explain, and this will be very simple. I have 120m skill points(yes low for 10 years, no implants, sue me), and a few days ago, I died to someone under a year.. twice.

3) You are looking at the game completely wrong. EvE is not WoW in space, EvE is not what Star Citizen thinks it will be, EvE is not GD checkers. EvE is a game of choices, opportunity, planning, and chess. If you don't have the mind for chess, eve is not for you.

4) I can prolly list off the top of my head about 20 things you can easily do in eve whithen one single day of training. Maybe a week max. They are:

1) mining
2) Refnining
3) mission running
4) belt ratting
5) Ninja Salvage
6) Piracy (yup you can gank pitates in a damn frig)
7) Gate Camping
8) Cyno operator
9) CEO
10) Explorer
11) Worm Hole worker (can easily do a c1 solow in a cruiser/bc, takes maybe 2-4 weeks of training)
12) Scaming
13) Trader
14) Builder
15) Scientist
16) Scout
17) Tackler
18) Bounty Hunter
19) AFK Cloaker
20) Basic logistics and EW

5) I just listed 20 task, you can do, easily, from my ass. If I had tiem to research more I could put down 100 more. The problem is not that eve is a 'wait to play' game, the problem is you. You have no imagination and you are looking at things like huge fleet fights and going 'ooooh that's ALL I want to do' Thus limiting what you can do.

That's it in a nut shell. You are looking at eve completely wrong. Because of that, you will never see the potential for what you can do now. So what if you can't jump into a T2 battle ship with T2/faction gear. This is not WoW, STG, STO, etc. Faction and Tech 2 != win. If you can not fly or know your ship you will die. The linerar training is for this reason. Its the same with Real life, just because you take a month of karate you should not be able to beat a 10th degree black belt. However, if you have someone who has just jumped into being trained and has a black belt he did not earn, you as a white or yellow belt who have taken traning should easily ship his ass.

One more exsample, just because I know how to drive a pinto doenslt mean I can drive for NASCAR.

Stop looking at eve likes its WoW, because its not. If you can not do that, then you will fail in eve and should give me yoru stuff now and return to whatever mmo you came from.

Change your thinking, as the issue is you, not eve.

STOP FAILING AT EVE!

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Foremost among their mistakes is the power gap between the brand new player and the seasoned veteran.
There's about 3-4 months where a new player cannot fit a competitive PvP cruiser.
3-4 months, which is nothing compared to the years upon years the vets have had to hone their abilities.
3-4 months, which seems massive to impatient instant-gratification kids who need to go back to whatever non CCP game they came from yo.....

To the people claiming you can be powerful at PVP before the 3 month mark: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp? You need t2 tank, t2 drones, t2 guns and decent support skills to be even mildly effective.

Having brand new players have to wait to be even mildly effective in combat, imo, does not make sense and discourages a lot of people who are playing the game for the first time.

I’m not usually the type to call out gaming companies with my forum posts. This time I’m going to.
CCP is a very successful, clever and virtuous gaming company. But they do make mistakes.

Foremost among their mistakes is the power gap between the brand new player and the seasoned veteran.
There's about 3-4 months where a new player cannot fit a competitive PvP cruiser.
3-4 months, which is nothing compared to the years upon years the vets have had to hone their abilities.
3-4 months, which seems massive to new players.

I cannot overstate how discouraging a wait of this period is to prospective new customers.
They look at the state of the game and think "Wow, four months before I can even be effective? And then lets say I want to stop brawling with my Gallente ship and start kiting, I'll have to wait another two or three months to try that!?"

Now, most of the skill progression in EVE is balanced. CCP have done a wonderful job in letting the average age characters compete with the very old ones. No one wants the training time for a supercapital or titan reduced.

However, the first three months of the new player's game play should be radically overhauled.
Players should start with all the skills needed to fly one race's well fit t1 frigates and cruisers.
From there, they can decide what secondary ships and weapons systems they want to train to become more versatile— or simply go up in size with their primary race.

To the people who claim you can be powerful in PVP within the first three months: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp?
You need T2 guns, T2 tank, T2 drones and decent support skills to be even mildly effective.

The common argument against this is that it devalues the power of veterans.
But when you consider things carefully, 3-4 months is almost nothing to experienced players. In fact many of the skills we want to train take upwards of a month to complete anyway.

No, giving new players this level of starting SP would hardly affect experienced players.
But it would greatly affect new players. Many more people who try EVE for the first time would be retained and become paying customers.
In turn, this makes New Eden a more fun and exciting place for players like myself who have been around for a while.

Just double the isk rewards in level 1 and level 2 missions.

Or make it so level 1 and level 2 missions pay up to two 1.5mil SP characters full bounty/isk rewards to encourage new people to want to team up.