EVE General Discussion

Looks like we were both out-meta'd, Sol.

Damn you UAE!!!!

Damn you's to hell!!!!

*shakes fist vigorously for no apparent purpose.

As a new player (couple of months in) I think that skill progression is fine.

Takes a few minutes to get the basic concept, takes a few days or weeks (obviously dependent on the skill multiplier level) to get a good handle on it (skill level IV).

The more difficult skills take longer.

The only change that I would make is to have the skill queue for more than 24 hours, say a a week or so.

lol, not a very good sign.

It's pretty obvious that his new player experience has coerced him into feeling that he wishes he could spend less time logging/logged in.

What's wrong new player, you don't enjoy spending 1 hour running level 1 missions to earn only 1/60th the amount of ISK a veteran makes in the same amount of time?

If people didn't want things faster, then EvE wouldn't exist.

There would've been no need to travel faster than light because they'd have been content with whatever slow ass "back in my day" methods they used to get from place to place.

Interceptors top speed would be 10meters a second because every other ship would be content with traveling 1m/s.

Have you ever read through his post history?

I can totally believe he posted something that stupid. I'm just shocked he hasn't been banned yet.

Well unlike you I'm not actually breaking any rules so there's not a reason for me to be banned.

For example,

I view my posts and search the word "idiot", and there's only 4 instances(5 now with this post) and they were all embedded in quotes, without me calling anyone that word even once.

I view your posts and search the word Idiot, and there's 37.

According to the "Forum rules", here where it's pretty obvious you've never read because you're constantly breaking them by disrespecting people you're choosing to argue with, https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules?_ga=1.214663316.2087503584.1397162165
You have much more of a case for being banned than I do.

You made half a dozen perma ban level statements in the recent threadnaught. In fact, I didn't see you again for about a week after it was finally torpedoed by the mods, so I suspect you got a week forum ban for it. Slap on the wrist after all.

You want to know the funny part?

I've never been banned from this forum, or gotten a warning either.

Doesn't take 3 to 4 months to train frig 4 scram web and t1 frig mods. You can be PvPing as a tackler in a matter of days. Hours if your not fussy.

TL;DR - We all had to start somewhere and it used to be way more harsh to progress. New players will never appreciate how great they have it, nor care about the fact CCP has taken huge strides in the past couple of years to cut months off skill training time to get into ships.

I'm not sure why these types of posts keep popping up, but EVE has always been a game about choices. It rewards those who plan ahead. It was like this when I trained up my core skills and we all had to go through it. I made many mistakes that slowed my goals along the way. There weren't a multitude of guides on how to do everything like there is today, so I had to fumble around a bit.

Let's look at how Skill training used to work and why the game is vastly better and faster now in regards to training:

1) I originally had to spend about 3-4 months training "learning skills" on more than one pilot to help them learn faster. I didn't learn cruisers, frigates or anything. I was just learning how to learn. For months.

2) I also dealt with something called bloodlines - which made my character learn at a much slower rate FOR YEARS since min/max as Intaki was impossible. Achura OP.

3) Also, I didn't have remaps - this was introduced long after I started. Remaps are a blessing.

4) I lost a ton of skill points to not having a skill queue. If I was at work when my skill was done, I couldn't queue up a new skill - the functionality simply didn't exist. The alternate solution was to bounce between skills and figure out what I should train and when I switch training so I could continue training without physically managing my queue when a skill completed - this meant I had many 1/2 learned skilled and it took longer to get a net gain in a skill. I also would have to alarm clock skills in order to be efficient when I was actually at a computer to manage my pilots. This type of system was worse than a digital farm, especially if you had many alts

Let's look at why it's great to be a newbie in the current iteration of EVE.

1) Fozzie and Rise: It's good to fly tech 1 these days. Really good. I've gone back to tech 1 ships because they are basically as good as t2 variants. The tiericide has done amazing things for this game and frankly I'm impressed. The frigate/destroyer/cruiser experience these days are a joy. New players have no idea how great they have it. I recently started a FW alt and wanted to see what it was like to be thrown into PVP very early on. I found that I was competitive in an Atron within 1 week. I wasn't OP or anything, but I was *gasp* having fun.

2) CCP fixed skill points to make it very fast to get into the next level of ship. Do you need to train Battleship V to get into dreads anymore? No. You don't even need Battleship IV. Do you need Small blaster spec, medium blaster spec trained to get to Large blaster spec? No. By changing ship or mod requirements they've essentially given you weeks/months/years off your training to master the type of ship you actually want to fly. Neat!

3) Fozzie just announced drone mechanics and drone skill changes that will make a new players ability to use drones more effectively, basically allowing new players to put off a few months of drone training until they are ready to perfect it. Amazing. They've basically doubled your drone damage for absolutely nothing in return.

4) I've started new pilots during different eras: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, and 2013 and starting around 2011 - my pilot was able to skill up pretty quick comparatively with proper planning. Since many older players are nice enough to write guides for new players, having a plan for your pilot should be as easy as a Google search. Since there are so many guides out there that are helpful the last guy to complain about skill system said that the learning curve was conquered within one month only and he was ready for blops, dreads, carriers, and all t3's. He didn't mention how he had billions in assets it takes to build/buy these ships after one month, but he seemed ready and skill points were the only thing holding him back. Frankly it took me a couple of years to really understand the intricacies of the game. Knowledge is power.

You should be up and running in t1 frigates, destroyers and cruisers within 3 months easily, not 9 months like the old days.

So I understand why new people think they should be given free stuff that none of us veterans had - but I have not seen a good reason why they should be given special treatment over countless others that went through the process, especially in light of how much CCP recently freed up your training queue by lowering requirements across the board and how veterans are giving you guides for free that allow you to sidestep making disastrous mistakes on your pilot. If you are a month old and have 40 billion isk to buy shiny toys and fleets of ships, you may as well visit the character bizarre too if your 2 million skill points are slowing down your adventure. It's not like CCP didn't give you a mechanism to acquire high skill point pilots. Just my two cents.