EVE General Discussion

Oh, sure, but that's a problem with missions, and should if anything be a hint that maybe it's an activity you shouldn't invest more SP into. Because that sense of “just killing time” will not go away once you've killed what arbitrary time you've set up — it's just more of the same. It's still just grinding missions. Your “advancement” isn't really advancing anywhere. That is the problem you're facing and which has caused many people to leave the game: getting locked into an activity and finding out that all that time; all that “waiting” amounted to nothing because it turns out that it was the activity itself you didn't like. The waiting did nothing to change all that.

Eeeehhm… so it's still just an opinion, not fact. The only factual part is that skills take time to train, but everything that follows from that is just a matter of (often incomplete) perception, (often false) expectation, and (depressingly often) ye olde sunken cost fallacies. OP isn't being attacked for what he feels — he's being attacked for trying to present it as indisputable fact when it has been thoroughly disproven many times over throughout the history of the game and keeps being disproven on a daily basis.

His problem is one of his own making, not one of game design.

Waiting is always your choice. If you don't want to wait, choose not to. If an activity is boring in its current form, spice it up or try something else and stop waiting for the activity to magically change itself because that will never happen.

About half as many players who have posted in this thread have "liked" the OP. Seems that 50% of the people here have felt the same way. Does that mean half of EVE's players are deluded? If so, which half... the half that is willing to admit the obvious, or those who look the other way while doing the "laundry list" of busy things EVE offers? Have your fun doing what you like in EVE. I could care less. But it's hypocritical, at best, to point the finger that those players who find dissatisfaction where you see none, all the while telling them they're "wrong."

Obviously you don't, you can't see past your own opinion.

Whose fault is that?

You say that there is nothing a newbie can do, we post numerous things that a newbie can do, you dismiss them as irrelevant because it doesn't fit in with what you think a newbie should be able to do.

That is not our problem, it's yours, you're blinded by your own prejudice.
We know what activities a newbie can do, we've seen newbies do them, we've helped newbies do them and we've done them ourselves, as newbies.

If you don't care, stop posting and let it die. Find another game and stop trying to impose your limited vision on this one.

Yeah, but you see, the OP is all “facts”.

68+ days.
In fact, with some creative booster abuse, you could get it down to 52:ish days.

Then by that logic, be a man, and report you thread for a lock. Do not make other future players suffer for your inadequacies. And don't admit to breaking forum rules on the forum.

Not usually a smart play.

The more you know.

As for not caring, you are certainly still posting.

It this a new thing?

Kinda like, "I didn't want that ship anyway," only instead, "I didn't want that thread anyway," or "I didn't want that post anyway."

What do you mean, last a year? They last until you change them again

You can cut any queue no matter how long by at least a third, according to calculations I read a while back.

But does it matter ho long the queue is? I thought you werent training anything specific and you said to me that there was nothing you could do to effect the queue length, and there is

i'd had to have begun first

No. I disagree with what the opposing opinions I see. Post an opinion that I agree with, and I'll agree with it it. And that is what you, and others, fail to understand. It is inconceivable to you that someone would ever disagree with you—especially a "new" player. You define "play" as A, B, C, and say that anyone who defines it differently is wrong.

Nope. I never said that. But quote me saying it and I'll stand corrected.
And that I don't want to play the game the way you do is not my problem, and does not negate the validity of my point.


The purpose of the troll is to keep the entertainment going. If you don't want to read my posts don't come to the thread. Physician, heal thyself!

Wait a second...
8/10 to the op.
Should fit right in.

Think I found the source of the problem.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4281609#post4281609

What's the real problem OP? Your dreams didn't go as planned?